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Old 03-23-12, 12:13 AM   #1
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I've got the bug! How am I doing?

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Bought the fiance a bike for her birthday. Started looking into one for myself. Got hooked on vintage steel frame road bikes. Rebuilding/restoring bikes appeals to me. Possess 0 maintenance/mechanical skills/knowledge. What little tools I did have are lost/borrowed. Read the flipping 101 thread. Read about finding vintage bikes on mytenspeeds. Went out and looked. It has been a week, I now have 4 bikes sitting in my garage.

Unknown Peugeot Mixte:
Paid 30 bucks for this thing at a moving sale. It is mighty small, possibly a kid's bike? Will add pictures later.

1980 or 81 Trek 412 or 414 (2 of them): Pics
Had an inkling to drive around random neighborhoods in search of old bikes. Found a truck full of scrapmetal with a pair of drop bars peeking out. Saw the Trek name, rang the doorbell, 2 trips later, bikes are home. Pictures are of the smaller of the two. Haven't thoroughly inspected the components to narrow down the exact model. The wheels scare me, the back one of the small bike is definitely bent. The others could be as well.

1992 Bridgestone XO-2: Pics
My latest acquisition. Found a guy with literally 2-300 bikes on his property and a sign on his sidewalk saying he sells used bikes. Decided to take a peek. Didn't find much but the Bridgestone caught my eye. Almost all stock minus the moustache bar, and Tom Slick tires. Guy wanted 170, picked it up for 80. Not sure how good of a decision that was yet.

I guess I am also looking for a little direction. I need a bike to ride with my fiance. We will be riding mostly paved roads/trails but some trails are unpaved in certain areas. I would like for this hobby to be self sustaining, but I realize I may have to spend some money to get going at first. The less the better.

Thank you all for the wealth of information and I look forward to participating in future discussions.
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Started off with 4 bikes? Sounds like the bug's taken a big bite.
The Trek - if the wheels are beyond truing, then personally I'd go with a swap to 700c (I'm guessing those are 27"). Wheels won't be free, but you may find an acceptable set on a donor bike, then if there's nothing else worth keeping on the donor, sell it with your current wheelset.

The XO-2. Definitely need to either soak the freewheel in oxalic acid (OA), or just pony up the $25 for a new freewheel. Lots of 'em on ebay new for that or less. Other sources are out there, too. The rear derailleur needs some OA help, or you can pick up something like a lightly used Sora 8s for $10-$15, new Tourney for $20.

If you're going to be riding some unpaved trails, you'll probably want to stick with 28mm or wider tires. But they don't have to be knobbies, just regular road tires.

Have fun. You will need some tools, too, but the right tool will make life a whole lot easier than trying to work on certain components without them. And you won't accidentally destroy something.
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1. Start hunting for good used wheelsets. Put a WTB wheels in your local C/L, in the bikes for sale section (no one looks at the wanted section).

2. New freewheel for that XO. I pick up new Shimano freewheels for about $10 each. Not worth trying to revive that one. +1 You will need a replacement RD.
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Welcome to the Bike Forum and you have no idea what hooked means, but I suspect that you will - four bikes in a week. I hope my Bicycle Finding Methods article helped.
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Welcome to the forums. Also what is your location a lot of C&V guys and gals here have 700c wheelsets built up that they may be willing to part with fairly cheap maybe with tires cassete/freewheel. I currently have 1 but I expect several others may have several.
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The Bridgestone is good for what riding you describe. First find your fit-go from there. Fenders on that trek are sweet. I like that one.
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Added my location to my profile. Thanks for all of the input. I've been trying to research bike maintenance as much as possible lately. (youtube, sheldon's page, waiting on zinn's book to come to my local library) Any other suggestions? I know reading about it is no comparison to actually doing it so I did find a local coop. I can pay $5/hr there for stand and tool time and also get some guidance from the volunteers.

I will check the bins next time I am there for a replacement RD and cassette. I kind of wanted to go all original with XO-2 but I am not sure that I want to drop the money on a moustache bar and finding an exage 400lx RD hasn't been going so easy. I did find a set of 500LX derailleurs for $22 which should work. Is that a decent price?

As far as wheels go, I am have no idea how much I should be trying to pay as prices seem to be all over the place.

Yes randy, your article helped a lot. In fact, I just picked up a vintage Motobecane Mirage for $20 at a church rummage sale this morning. It looks to be pretty well kept for its age. Just needs some minor tuning (brakes are a little off) and a bit more cleaning and she will be ready to sell. I will post pics when I get home from work tomorrow sometime.

Lastly, is it normal to want to keep all of the bikes that I find in my size? I know its not a good habit as I need to start bringing in some money from this to ease the doubts of my fiance and also clear some space from my garage.
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No, it is not normal. Usually us addicts want to keep all of the bikes, regardless of size;-( I was not joking when I suggested that you do not understand the notion of "hooked" yet - but you will.

I have roughly a hundred bicycles at any given time, but only a dozen in my personal collection. I try to keep the PC number to ten or less but have failed to do so over the years. What you will find is that the bar will raise, from time to time. As you get more into the hobby and better at finding old bikes, you will start to keep only the more special finds. And, when something more special comes into the fold, then something of lesser interest will leave the stable. And this can go on, and on, and on...
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$22 for a decent derailer set is a fair price I have recently sold sets on ebay and to other members for twice that price or more.
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Lastly, is it normal to want to keep all of the bikes that I find in my size? I know its not a good habit as I need to start bringing in some money from this to ease the doubts of my fiance and also clear some space from my garage.
Yes, my rule (which I violate from time to time), is that I allowed to have one of each style of bike. So when I have redundant bikes, the one I like the best stays, the other one goes. I have sold dozens of "keeper" bikes in the last few years. I also have subdivided the bicycle world quite thinly, so I just don't need one racing bike, I need one racing bike with flat land gearing, one for hills, etc. And I also have two homes in two different states. So of course, I need a set of suitable bikes at each house. On the specialty bike front, I only have one total, such as one touring bike, one titanium bike, and one CF bike. This I call "control". I think you can see where this heads.

When I recently spent real money on a Kestrel CF Paramount on ebay, my wife noticed the transaction of course, WTF?, she is very tolerant of this disease.

On bike maintenance, I rely heavily on the Park tool site, the Sheldon Brown site, along with this forum. With the web, books are becoming obsolete.

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I've been trying to research bike maintenance as much as possible lately. (youtube, sheldon's page, waiting on zinn's book to come to my local library) Any other suggestions?
I've found Glenn's Complete Bicycle Manual by Clarence W. Coles and Harold T. Glenn to be a good resource for older bike maintenance, and they're really inexpensive from Amazon (used for less than $10.00).
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Awesome! Get in the garage, get greasy, get a few cuts, and be ready to hear some words that you never knew you knew come out of your mouth, you'll be a pro in no time! There is no substute for hands on experience! Best of luck.
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1980 or 81 Trek 412 or 414 (2 of them): Pics
Had an inkling to drive around random neighborhoods in search of old bikes. Found a truck full of scrapmetal with a pair of drop bars peeking out. Saw the Trek name, rang the doorbell, 2 trips later, bikes are home. Pictures are of the smaller of the two. Haven't thoroughly inspected the components to narrow down the exact model. The wheels scare me, the back one of the small bike is definitely bent. The others could be as well.
Do they have very narrow Rigida alloy rims? They always hit me as being a little flimsy. BTW, it sounds like you've got a good eye for this stuff!
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Yes, my rule (which I violate from time to time), is that I allowed to have one of each style of bike. So when I have redundant bikes, the one I like the best stays, the other one goes. I have sold dozens of "keeper" bikes in the last few years. I also have subdivided the bicycle world quite thinly, so I just don't need one racing bike, I need one racing bike with flat land gearing, one for hills, etc. And I also have two homes in two different states. So of course, I need a set of suitable bikes at each house. On the specialty bike front, I only have one total, such as one touring bike, one titanium bike, and one CF bike. This I call "control". I think you can see where this heads.
As a side note, wrk101, I love this explanation.

To the OP -- nice start!
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Ok, I'm back. Work and weather have been keeping me away from my new found addiction.

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Yes, my rule (which I violate from time to time), is that I allowed to have one of each style of bike.
I think I will have to adopt this rule to keep myself from becoming a hoarder. Plus my fiance is already getting tired of the 5 bikes in the garage currently.

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Do they have very narrow Rigida alloy rims? They always hit me as being a little flimsy.
That would be them. Still not quite sure how much I should be looking at picking up wheelsets for. Can get wheels on Amazon for ~30/each. Haven't come across much else cheaper.

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I've found Glenn's Complete Bicycle Manual by Clarence W. Coles and Harold T. Glenn to be a good resource for older bike maintenance, and they're really inexpensive from Amazon (used for less than $10.00).
I will take a look at this but if I can get all of the information I need online like wrk101 said, that 10 bucks could go towards another tool or two.

Speaking of tools, since I am starting with practically nothing. I am thinking about purchasing the Park Tool AK-37 kit and the PCS-10 stand and then just buying whatever additional tools I need as it comes up. Does that sound like a solid plan?

So this is what is on my mind right now. Keep the XO-2 and smaller Trek. Flip the Mirage and Peugeot mixte. Not expecting much for the Peugeot but the Mirage is pretty well kept. Just needs new pads and tape. Depending on how bad the smaller Trek is, I might need to just combine it with the larger one to make it a solid functional bike then part out the rest. Would I even get much from it?

I brought the XO-2 into my local coop on Tuesday and decided to do a full tear down. I learned a lot from it. (What tools I need for different tasks, how to deal with frozen parts, etc.) I picked up some Simple Green and Oxalic Acid. I am trying to source some Brass Wool, but havent had any luck locally thus far. Any other things that I could use to get this thing looking better than it has since it was purchased?

This post is getting lengthy, I will try and update again later. Hopefully with new pictures.
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Tool kits have been discussed endlessly, and many think they are a serious waste of money. I am in that camp. Most kits include tools you already have (do you really need a Parks branded screw driver, or allen wrenches). They also will include tools that are not suited for your bike (wrong cassette tool for example), yet will not have the tools you need.

Most of my tools were picked up used. Other than that, I buy them when I need them. Many are Parks branded, but some are other brands (cable tool I prefer the Shimano one).

A quick glance at the AK-37, there are a lot of tools needed for vintage bikes that are not in that set. Examples include: bottom bracket fixed cup tool, bb adjustable cup tool, lock ring spanner, freewheel tools, etc. And in the waste of money category: four screw drivers, a chain brush, a tube of grease, several allen wrenches, Campagnolo bb tool (unless you have Campy stuff), BB tool for external cups, etc.

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Bill, is this Shimano tool what you're talking about? Shimano TL-CT11 cable/housing cutting tool?

http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/238...p=325%20SHI1T2
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I bought the model that proceeded that version (used of course).

I have used the Spin Doctor/Nashbar version as well, pretty decent, much cheaper. Can catch it on sale for $10 to $16. The Shimano is better, but not for the price difference (unless you pick one up used).

The Park CT3 chain tool is my favorite chain tool. A high quality chain tool and cable cutter are the two must haves in a serious tool collection. Meanwhile, there are plenty of good cone wrenches out there. I used the Sette ones for several years (Pricepoint), until I found a deal on a used set of Parks cone wrenches.

Nashbar one on sale right now:
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Thank you Bill, very helpful. What are your favorites among the tools you mentioned -- bottom bracket fixed cup tool, bb adjustable cup tool, lock ring spanner, freewheel tools?
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Thank you Bill, very helpful. What are your favorites among the tools you mentioned -- bottom bracket fixed cup tool, bb adjustable cup tool, lock ring spanner, freewheel tools?
Sugino fixed cup tool, Hozan lock ring tool, Inline Offset pedal wrench (used to be cheap at Niagara, $8 or less, now sells for $28, I still like it better than the Park pedal wrench), freewheel tools - whatever fits what you have, adjustable cup tool - depends on the style adjustable cup you have, etc.

The Pricepoint Sette cone wrenches are on sale right now for under $3 each. They work fine.

Most of my tools have been bought used. Seems like there is a bike shop going out of business around here every three or four months, I've bought tools from several of them.

If you are going to work on a wide variety of bikes, you will need to acquire a lot of different tools, as there is a lack of standardization on several parts (great for tool manufacturers).

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