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Old 05-09-13, 08:41 PM
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Is 25$ a good deal for this bike?

I think it's a very good deal so I bought it!!!

It will need a little love but it think it will be beautiful!

Is it what they call an english 3 speed? Anybody know how old it can be?

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I'm curious to find out what is too it makes me think of my 67 schwinn, but the fenders are definitely similar to what I have on my raleigh's...oh and 25 is probably a great deal if it's mechanically all there.
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The CCM chainring is pretty neat!

Hopefully one of the Canadian blokes will be along shortly to help. All I know about CCM is how bad their hockey skates always made my feet bleed...
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Originally Posted by RaleighSport
.oh and 25 is probably a great deal if it's mechanically all there.
Everything is there, the IGH seems to be working but I didn't test ride it yet: I don't trust the tires.
It will probably get a complete rebuilt.
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I don't have experience with internally geared hubs, but that weird "fulcrum" device actuating the shifter chain isn't something I've ever seen before. Maybe that's a Shimano thing?
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Does that shifter say "1-3-5"? Possibly an old 5 speed internal gear hub? I had no idea Shimano even made those back in the Positron days. (Which, by the way, "positron" dates it to late 70s or early 80s).
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Originally Posted by PatTheSlat
Does that shifter say "1-3-5"? Possibly an old 5 speed internal gear hub? I had no idea Shimano even made those back in the Positron days. (Which, by the way, "positron" dates it to late 70s or early 80s).
You're right : 1-3-5! I didn't notice, I saw 3 different digit so I tought 3 speeds without looking closely!
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Wow, a 5 speed Shimano hub. That's pretty cool. I had a 3-speed one and it worked fine for me. Just be sure to get the cable tension setup right.

To me this looks like a department store level bike, but then again I don't know anything about CCM. Maybe it is better. Worst case you are out $25... I'm sure you could resell it for that.
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Originally Posted by dramiscram
I think it's a very good deal so I bought it!!!

It will need a little love but it think it will be beautiful!

Is it what they call an english 3 speed? Anybody know how old it can be?
Not a steal, but FMV.
It will need a lot of love and $$, relative to your $25.
I think it is a CANADIAN, not English, 3 speed.

My guess, is the Positron shifter is a replacement, given the different colored cable housing from the brakes. Bike sure looks late 1960's to early 1970's.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2
I think it is a CANADIAN, not English, 3 speed.

My guess, is the Positron shifter is a replacement, given the different colored cable housing from the brakes. Bike sure looks late 1960's to early 1970's.
CCM is definitely canadian but I was thinking about the type of bike, it looks like those english 3 speed.
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The subject bicycle is a 1973-1976 CCM Elan. These bicycles were unchanged this period, right down to the colour, so I'll need the serial number to tell you the exact year. It should be located on the lower, non-drive side of the seat tube, about 6-10cm above the bottom bracket.

This bicycle was part of E-series of middleweight, city bicycles, which comprised the Encore (single speed), Elan (3 speed), Elite (5 speed) and Esprit (10 speed), They were very popular with middle-aged consumers who wanted to participate in the bicycle boom but were uncomfortable with the bent over position of the dropped bar, lightweight, racing bicycles. The Elan had added appeal for those who suffered from DAS (derailleur anxiety syndrome) of which there were many (and still appears to be a major phobia given fixie/SS popularity).

The E-series had the additional appeal of being made in Canada. Unlike the tenenagers, who had a thinnly veiled contempt for corporate Canada and gravitated towards Asian and European brands, the middle-aged consumer was still fiercely loyal to the brand they had grown on and viewed CCM as a Canadian icon. In fact, the E-series had a suprisingly high level of Canadian content. CCM made everything at their Weston facility except for the saddle, stem, grips, pedals, tubes, tires, reflectors, cable, multi-speed rear hub and derailleur system. The middle-aged Canadian consumer made the E-series one of the few bright lights in in a period that would be the beginning of the end for CCM.

Unfortunately, I can't say $25 is a good deal. It's a fairly typical yard sale price, but normally they're in better condition. It's quite rough with a fair amount of rust and faded decals. As noted, it's not the correct shifter and may not even function properly with the hub. The chain looks like it needs replacement. It probably needs a complete overhaul and let's just hope the IGH is OK. You may do OK if you can do the work yourself, but if you have to rely on an LBS, it was probably better left behind.

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If your happy with it then it's a good deal
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
Unfortunately, I can't say $25 is a good deal. It's a fairly typical yard sale price, but normally they're in better condition. It's quite rough with a fair amount of rust and faded decals. As noted, it's not the correct shifter and may not even function properly with the hub. The chain looks like it needs replacement. It probably needs a complete overhaul and let's just hope the IGH is OK. You may do OK if you can do the work yourself, but if you have to rely on an LBS, it was probably better left behind.
Thanks for your honest answer and for all the very valuable infos.

Fortunately for me I do all my wrenching, I'm a former auto mechanic, and I didn't buy the bike with the hope of making profit. I'll spend many saturday nights in my garage having fun working on it. A good deal indeed!
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Originally Posted by dramiscram
Thanks for your honest answer and for all the very valuable infos.

Fortunately for me I do all my wrenching, I'm a former auto mechanic, and I didn't buy the bike with the hope of making profit. I'll spend many saturday nights in my garage having fun working on it. A good deal indeed!

If it's to substitute for going out on weekends, then you've saved a bundle!
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Originally Posted by oddjob2
If it's to substitute for going out on weekends, then you've saved a bundle!
Exactly! It's that or the casino.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
The subject bicycle is a 1973-1976 CCM Elan. These bicycles were unchanged this period, right down to the colour, so I'll need the serial number to tell you the exact year. It should be located on the lower, non-drive side of the seat tube, about 6-10cm above the bottom bracket.
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The serial # is E653324
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Originally Posted by dramiscram
The serial # is E653324
1973.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
1973.
Two years older than me!

Thanks

After a bit of reading (thanks Sheldon Brown and thank BF search tool) I think the bike is missing a few parts for the IGH. From what I see it would need the right hand nut(missing), a new toggle chain(it's there but in bad shape), the trigger/shifter and cable and the adjustment(missing).
A quick search on ebay put me at about 80-90$ (depending on shipping costs)

The rest of the bike is in good working order and the IGH itself is working fine, the frame is solid but rusty at some places so right now it's reflexion time: 1st scenario I invest and restore the bike completely and have a lot of fun while I do it and end up with a costly very nice looking low end old bike.
2nd scenario I just clean everything up, polish and wax the frame, put everything back in place the way it was and go around with a non-operating IGH/single speed, okay looking old bike at almost no cost and have a lot of fun while I do it.

I'll sleep on it because right now I can't decide.

Does anyone know something that I should know that could help me decide???
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So is that just a 3 speed hub that someone hacked a 5 speed derailleur shifter onto? Does the hub say Shimano or Sturmey Archer?
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Originally Posted by PatTheSlat
So is that just a 3 speed hub that someone hacked a 5 speed derailleur shifter onto? Does the hub say Shimano or Sturmey Archer?
Sturmey Archer AW, the Shimano shifter don't belong on this bike.
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If i had to fix the CCM up, i'd be looking for a donor bike, rather than buying parts here and there.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2
If i had to fix the CCM up, i'd be looking for a donor bike, rather than buying parts here and there.
That's what I was thinking. For now the bike is still working but with just one speed, like a SS and I'm in no hurry.

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Very cool bike!

I would have bought it, too, for twenty-five clams!
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I'll check through my parts bin, I may have all the parts you would need to fix that up, and could get them to you for a heck of a lot less than $80-90.
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Originally Posted by PatTheSlat
I'll check through my parts bin, I may have all the parts you would need to fix that up, and could get them to you for a heck of a lot less than $80-90.
That would be great!

I need everything starting at the hub: right hand nut and everything down to the shifter. If you have that just make your price.

I'm in no rush.
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