mtlvintage

Hey guys,

I have a vintage Garlatti bike that I found in a local yard sale. I bought it from a guy who had no idea of the value (got it for 50$). I have been collecting bikes for a long time but have never come across a Garlatti before. It has Campagnollo derailleurs and shifters and a nice suede seat. I know this is worth much more than what I paid for it, but I was hoping someone would be able to tell me more precisely how much I could get for it. I'm in the process of restoring it with some original parts I found on eBay, but here is a picture of it so far. Let me know if you need more information on it in order to get a better idea of the value.

MarkusForest

Hello, I bought a chrome on for $75. I dont know much about them other than they must be lower end bike boom bike. Have a look at some close up photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/markus9...7630496932628/

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mtlvintage

Thanks for your input! From what I know about these bikes (which admittedly isn't much) and by looking at the different components, I have to disagree with you on the ''lower end'' categorization. The components on here tell me that it might be a mid to high end bike. It has 3TTT handle bars and stem, all Campagnolo shifting components , Michelin tires, it's made in Italy and the bike is very light. I just wish I could find some solid info on the history of these bikes and their price point.

MarkusForest

ah ok, fair enough. Mine is on the heavy side with less than desirable components. I will watch this thread. Merci!

T-Mar

This one os really hard to peg due to the frankenbike nature. It appears to have 27" steel, clincher rims and a Camapgnolo Valentino Extra rear derailleur. These are typical of boom era, upper entry level models. Yet it has a Camapgnolo Record front derailleur and what appears to be a Record crankset. The question is whether these are upgardes or the wheels and rear derailleur are replacements. I suspect the latter, as the rear derailleur doesn not appear to have a claw attchment and the dropouts appear to be Campagnolo. This one looks like a top end model with some downgrades, Confirmation on the dropouts and the seat post diameter would provide a definite answer.

juvela

complete agreement with TMar. rear mech, headset and pedals look to be the only original fittings. these frames are made with quite a low shell. have seen two or three of these with a broken right dropout, the tab on the stamped sheet dropout gives a high moment in lay downs.

original chainset was an agrati three arm cottered.

btw - these machines also sold as Velocina.

FastJake

OP's bike looks high end with some possibly low end components (steel rims?) Some more and better pictures would help a lot.

Markus's bike looks mid-upper end but again with a real mix of components. Steel rims on this one too. Markus - I bet you could have a really nice bike if you put some proper parts on it. I would not dismiss it as lower end.

zukahn1 

Valentino series shifter not impresive but if full Campy and working I may consider a estimate.

juvela

located photo of this model as they were supplied ex-works:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/4770324...7623398567855/

bike in photo has clamp-on shifters as opposed to the braze-ons of bike in thread as it is a couple years earlier. otherwise they would have been identical as new.

frame constructed of Agrati "ROMA" lugs, crown, shell and ends.

Agrati headset and chainset.

Campag Valentino gear ensemble and NT hubset.

Universal cp brakes.

3TTT turiste stem & bar.

Wa or Sheffield pedals.

Grand Prix plastic saddle.

frame's low shell design gives it's ride a nice "roll" but rider must level cranks when walking to avoid toeclip drag.

gismo3

I bought a similar one in the late 70's for $250 and decided to restore it. For value, I have seen them sell periodically in the $200 to $300 range in Kijiji/ Montreal. They were imported there by a bike shop in Montreal (that is where I bought mine), and probably other shops throughout N. America. Garlatti, was primarily a frame manufacturer for low end bikes and some entry bikes for Cinelli (ie. Rivierrra model). They then bought out "Wander" bike company in Germany that made low end bikes and during the boom 60's-70's and early 80's they made the garlatti bike (like you have) for export only. The company thenwent into making Mopeds and is still in Italy, but no longer in Bike frames. Some of their decendants has a bike shop in italy www.garlatibike.it but sell other bikes (no garlatti's).

I am restoring my Garlatti now and have difficult time getting a bottom bracket. How's your bracket ? I am also in need of new decals..

I removed all parts and got it sandblasted and powder coated. My bottom bracket is need of replacing but having a hard ime getting another. maybe I'll go with more modern Shimano square tper and new cranlset.

repechage

In the C&V for sale section, there was a Campagnolo BB for $45. Pretty reasonable. Assuming you have cotterless cranks. For reference, (pardon if you know) the threads are 36 x 24 tpi.
Garlatti is one of those Italian brands that goes way back, somewhere along the line things must have soured and the brand must have been bought or resurrected in the late 60's or early 70's. Many of those bikes are not very distinguished.

meneermalik

Definitely worth more than what you paid for it but it's not worth a whole lot. gismo3 is spot on for the value in my opinion. In Montreal you'd get about $250 for it if it was in pretty good shape and fully functional of course, most likely less if those are steel rims. I've seen people try to sell these off for twice that around here (in Montreal) but they tend to not sell for month's on end at those prices. Some people go ape**** when they have a bike that's Italian thinking that all Italian bikes are worth a fortune, ebay is full of 'em.

You might get an extra $100 off it in Toronto though anyone that's going to spend that amount of money will definitely not be happy with steel rims.

I'd probably spend my money on restoring a more worthwhile bike as these aren't really collection pieces and hence hunting for original components adds to your expenses and not so much to the value of the bike. What you have is a good 'quick flip' so if your plans are to sell it in the end just tune it up, replace any cables or pads that need replacing and sell it. The cost of 'original' parts isnt going to net you any more profit. In my opinion..of course.

gismo3

I completed the restoration of my Garlatti, and posted it elsewhere;

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...light=garlatti

Bianchigirll 

Doesn't the restore mean something along the lines of returning an item to as new condition? I would not really consider repainting to a different color and putting that hedious crank on it restoring. Refurbishing and customizing maybe....





Aside from the crank it does look nice, great job. (nothing personal I just hate those new style cranks both the shipmano and the Campi ones)

Also a bit of cycling lure/magic requires the rear wheel to be further forward in the dropouts. Dis this bike have some sort of spacer at one time?

gismo3

If I ever come across a cottered spindle (46X58X38) in ebay .., I will definitely put back the chromeed original crank. that being said, the present crank is a lot lighter and rides much smoother.

Not sure what you mean by spacer/ dropouts. The original crank was 142 chainline, with the newer crank/ bottom bracket, it is now 143.5, but I do not see any difference in ride.

KleinRider

I believe he is referring to the rear wheel being placed all the way back in the dropout. Usually (that I've seen), the rear wheel doesn't normally go all the way back, but has a spacer between the frame and wheel. I'm trying to remember the last time I noticed one, and I seem to recall the wheel was halfway, or a little closer to the rear, in the dropout.

I hope that made sense.

Sixty Fiver

This was the parts spec on my Garlatti when I received it, the upgrades have been significant.



In nice original condition a Garlatti might fetch 200.00 in the right market, a chromes frame would warrant a small premium over that.

They are decent quality bikes that are definately made better when you upgrade the wheels and crankset.

Germany_chris

And I thought I was the only one.

Bianchigirll 

Sometimes you just have to tell the Kaiser he is naked!

gismo3

Thanks for clarification. The bike never had a spacer, and I guess I can put it more forward by removing a chain-link ? Why does this make a difference ?

Arthur Primo

Hi,


It's awesome to see an old steel bike like this get a new life. I just got an old Garlatti for a friend of mine and I am upgrading it and making it new again.


Since I don't have a vernier caliper to measure the Bar Clamp Diameter, could someone here tell me what it is on your old Garlatti's?


Thanks a lot.




Arthur

Sixty Fiver

It is funny that when people walk into my shop they are immediately drawn to the Garlatti and completely ignore the much more valuable bicycles that hang to either side of it... I guess all the shiny chrome draws the eye.

It is a rather excellent ride and would put it in the same category as bike boom Peugeots (when original)...

juvela

Hello Arthur Primo,

stem will be 22.2mm where it enters steerer. bar centre and bar clamp of stem will be 26.0mm. these measurements are for the original 3TTT Turiste stem and bar set which came with the bicycle.

hope this helps a bit. good luck with your restoration.

Arthur Primo

Juvela, thanks for the answer. You are right about the stem name.


A 0.6 mm difference equals 0.3 mm X 2. So three layers of shims made out of a 0.12 mm thick common soda can should do the trick and let met install a standard 25.4 mm (1*") new handlebar.


Anyone here already tried this with good results?


Arthur

juvela

Arthur Primo,

It is good you are paying attention to this. A misfit in this spot can precipitate resultations calamitous...

forgot to mention in my message that it applies to the 1970's era examples like the one at the beginning of this thread. for 1960's era examples the stock stem & bar set is an ambrosio i-beam. happily the measurements are the same.