WHAT YEAR IS MY HERCULES TOURIST w/HERCUMATIC SHIFTER & HERCULES HUB?
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WHAT YEAR IS MY HERCULES TOURIST w/HERCUMATIC SHIFTER & HERCULES HUB?
Can anyone tell me the age of a Hercules Tourist I picked up last week? I read that the date should be on the hub, but the only number on mine is a 5.
On the hub is stamped:
B Type 5
MANUFACTURED BY
HERCULES CYCLE & MOTORCAR
BIRMINGHAM
ENGLAND
Another unusual thing is the Hercumatic shifter - it has a High, Low & a Neutral! What is a neutral for on a bicycle?
I read something about pre Raleigh - is this one of those?
Any information on this bike - especially it's age - would be greatly appreciated.
On the hub is stamped:
B Type 5
MANUFACTURED BY
HERCULES CYCLE & MOTORCAR
BIRMINGHAM
ENGLAND
Another unusual thing is the Hercumatic shifter - it has a High, Low & a Neutral! What is a neutral for on a bicycle?
I read something about pre Raleigh - is this one of those?
Any information on this bike - especially it's age - would be greatly appreciated.
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I think n is normal ie no gearing effect on the internal hub, just a straight through.
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You probably won't find a date code on the hub and Type 5 is a model designation, I believe.
Your shifter is a normal three speed - low, normal and high gears.
I also made the mistake of thinking that the N stood for neutral. Nope, just normal pedaling ease, if there is such a thing.
Other than that, can't offer too much more help. The bike is nice and it will be fun to ride. Though I prefer vintage racing bicycles, I do wish that I had not sold this old Step Through. What a great city bike - unless ridden in the rain. Lots of go, but not much slow, in the wet...
Your shifter is a normal three speed - low, normal and high gears.
I also made the mistake of thinking that the N stood for neutral. Nope, just normal pedaling ease, if there is such a thing.
Other than that, can't offer too much more help. The bike is nice and it will be fun to ride. Though I prefer vintage racing bicycles, I do wish that I had not sold this old Step Through. What a great city bike - unless ridden in the rain. Lots of go, but not much slow, in the wet...
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When I put it in 'N' the pedals turn freely - it is not in a gear! Is mine in need of repair before selling?
Does anyone have a guesstimate of when Hercules made their nikes with both the Hercumatic shifter & the Hercules hub, so I can list the age when I sell it?
Thanks
Does anyone have a guesstimate of when Hercules made their nikes with both the Hercumatic shifter & the Hercules hub, so I can list the age when I sell it?
Thanks
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Thank you! Can anyone give me an idea what year this bicycle is? 1950's?
I appreciate any help - I can't find the age searching myself.
I appreciate any help - I can't find the age searching myself.
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Probably 1950's, but I'm far from being an expert. If you haven't already done so, try posting it at oldroads.com. People there will help you.
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The Hercules Tourist was a very common model and very similar to a Raleigh Sports. They aren't particularly rare or special, but were a decent alternative to Raleigh.
Hercules Lion Dropout and Right Side Nut - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
1968 Raleigh Sports dropout by ateichman, on Flickr
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Thank you! - It is definitely pre Raleigh.
Is this bike rare at all? I tried to find another with a Herc hub & shifter but couldn't - maybe it's just not something that someone would notice/mention?
Thanks again for a great tip!
Is this bike rare at all? I tried to find another with a Herc hub & shifter but couldn't - maybe it's just not something that someone would notice/mention?
Thanks again for a great tip!
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Originally I thought Hercules produced hubs during the war, but that seems doubtful since most of the factories had converted to war-time production and it seems an odd time for Hercules to introduce their own line of hubs. I now believe that it was shortly after the war that Hercules started producing the A Type and, later, B Type hubs. The earliest example I have is an A Type 6 (1946) and it was fitted with a Hercules branded quadrant shifter. Hercules had at least four different three-speed shifters: Hercules branded quadrant, Hercules Synchro-Switch and then early and late versions of the Her-Cu-Matic. I was unable to find a picture of the late Hercules shifter, but it is much like the SA 3-speed shifter but without the window as in the picture below.
Towards the late 1950's Hercules started to use more SA hubs on their bicycles (that is about the time or then Tube Investments/British Cycle Corporation merger) and it seems entirely possible that when they couldn't keep up with production of their own hubs, they would use SA hubs instead. Hercules catalogues indicate they offered SA Dynohub on their bicycles, though I have not personally seen any equipped that way.
The "rare" Hercules would be various Kestrel, Lapwing, Maestro and the Eileen Sheridan models.
Hercules Quadrant Shifter by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Hercules Synchro Switch - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
shifter1 by andymangold, on Flickr
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Hercules Tourist
Dear Miamibeachcg:
Just saw your post; thought I'd respond even though it's 3 years ago.
Believe it or not I still have a Hercules Tourist that I purchase from Sears Roebuck & Co. in 1955.
I still have the original maintenance manual, 3-speed hub instruction book, and the full parts list.
I'm trying to locate a replacement Lubricator (Part # MG64) which screws into the oil hole on the 3-speed hub.
The manuals I have are dated April 1954 and October 1954.
Rick
Just saw your post; thought I'd respond even though it's 3 years ago.
Believe it or not I still have a Hercules Tourist that I purchase from Sears Roebuck & Co. in 1955.
I still have the original maintenance manual, 3-speed hub instruction book, and the full parts list.
I'm trying to locate a replacement Lubricator (Part # MG64) which screws into the oil hole on the 3-speed hub.
The manuals I have are dated April 1954 and October 1954.
Rick
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I have what I believe to be a 1959/60 Hercules Tourist (serial #74033CA) transitionary frame. It has the later fender stay holes below the drop outs and it has the earlier brazed on bosses for both the 3 speed cable pulley and front mount for a fully enclosed chain guard. It also has a Tourist shield water slide decal on the head tube, instead of the brass Hercules Tourist shield. Additionally, it has the early metal flip top bottom bracket oil cover, next to the RI stamped front sprocket. The bike came with what I believe be replacement wheels for both the front and back, as the rear hub is an AW Sturmey Archer dated 1952. I replaced the Sturmey Archer shifter with an early Her-Cu-Matic shifter to give the bike more authenticity. Since the bike did not come with a chain guard, I purchased a 1950's NOS chain guard off of e-bay. I had the Hercules Tourist chain guard sticker made at redbubble.com, it is slightly smaller than the original. However, I think it looks great!
The accessories I added to this bike are: 22 Tooth rear cog, Lucas Cyclometer, rear view mirror, McKeelite headlight with a Miller generator and tail light, Midland Sports carrying rack with a Wicker basket attached, Raleigh hand grips, 3" Bell and Westrick rims, Schwalbe Marathon Tires, Brooks B190 leather saddle and Brooks leather tool pouch (not shown in photo). Note: fenders were added from a later model Raleigh LTD-3 donner Bicycle.
If anyone can identify the date of the frame, I would appreciate it.
The accessories I added to this bike are: 22 Tooth rear cog, Lucas Cyclometer, rear view mirror, McKeelite headlight with a Miller generator and tail light, Midland Sports carrying rack with a Wicker basket attached, Raleigh hand grips, 3" Bell and Westrick rims, Schwalbe Marathon Tires, Brooks B190 leather saddle and Brooks leather tool pouch (not shown in photo). Note: fenders were added from a later model Raleigh LTD-3 donner Bicycle.
If anyone can identify the date of the frame, I would appreciate it.
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