acoffin 

Not sure what the 36t ring is worth, but it looks to be in outstanding condition. Can the OP confirm that the seat post and stem are not seized? That and knowing the frame damage will be big in determining value.

merziac

I did cut him slack, he has been here for 7 mos. and says the bike was damaged decades ago so he knows what he's asking and that the ask is very high. I agree it would be a worthwhile project no matter what, but the sweat equity here is serious and we all know labors of love rarely pay off.

tronnyjenkins 

I'm probably wrong, but it almost looks like the fork is the only thing that is bent.

bikemig 

You're not the only one who would love to take this on. Everything depends on the price. $600 is too high. $100 to $200 is about right. In any case, it looks like the OP has disappeared.

fender1

There really not much to get worked up about. People price things as they see fit. If he gets the price, then he was right. If he doesn't, he will have to adjust or wait to sell it. Maybe both. I stay away from "project" bikes but I am sure someone could invest $1,500 to make it worth $700. Been there and done that!

TimmyT 

You're allowed to have whatever opinion you'd like of the seller and his bike. However, this is his for sale thread. Please thread crap someplace else.

bikemig 

To the OP: you edited the original post to indicate a price drop. What is the price you would like? Also what is the frame size? Is the crash damage to the fork or does the frame also have damage?

sloar 

The criticism on this thread was pretty harsh, he might not come back.

You guys can criticize my Pinarello, at least it would get bumped to the top.

PhotoJoe 

MOD NOTE: The overall opinion that $600 is overpriced has been well established, even though the OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion on price. I understand that members try to help people out, and that's respectable, but now that the opinions have been offered, let's keep future posts to interaction regarding the sale of the bike. Thanks.

merziac

IMHO he did ask, first words in title line of post "Whats it worth to you".

merziac

No thread crapping from me, I respectfully stated my thoughts with no malice as did others who felt the same.

lostarchitect 

Weeellll, do note Tim that he asked "what's it worth to you" and this was not originally posted in the sales section, it was moved by the mods. People, myself included, thought it was an honest question.

Drillium Dude 

I wish it weren't true, but I got a rueful laugh out of this - because I resemble this remark

It took awhile, but I did finally learn the lesson!

DD

sloar 

If I found a bike like this in the condition it's in, I would just paint it and add new decals. I don't think I would have it chromed, just paint it all. Clean up the aluminum bits and ride it. Depending on the damage of the frame I'd have a nice rider.

TimmyT 

It probably is an honest question. If this were clean and it was clear what the damage is, if any, it would be worth the $600. He basically has an NR groupset complete with headset, seatpost, and high flange hubs but without brakes and levers. The frame is also worthwhile as Paramounts command a premium.

Could it be cleaned? Maybe. Are some of the parts stuck or unrecoverable? Maybe. It's hard to know without detailed pics and some sort of mechanical inspection. Overall, I think the criticism in this thread is harsh, including the thread crapping.

TimmyT 

Really? Read your first post. You insult him with your interpretation of what people should do and your moralizing. You're a thread crapper, IMO.

noglider 

The damage to the frame is that it was in a head-on collision. The head tube was turned down by way of bending the top tube and down tube. Then it was straightened, and the pictures show the buckling. The alignment looks good, though obviously I'm not measuring it precisely.

artclone

Thank you

merziac

Yes really Timmy, but you are obviously the expert here so thanx for clearing it up. Like you said we're all entitled to our opinion.

TimmyT 

First thread crapping, now trolling. Nice job. The seller has paid for the privilege of using this space. You haven't. Maybe support this site with your own cash rather than be a troll.

plonz 

I'm sure a lot of us resemble this remark, just a matter of admitting it. If you added up every tube, bar end plug and ferrule to actually complete the build the cost gets up there. And many of those "no cost" parts bin pieces cost something at some point. Just a matter of what we're trying to tell the wife

FWIW I think I'm still on the front side of the learning curve!

sloar 

I've learned this lesson a long time ago, I just refuse to listen to myself.

oddjob2

Get a matched pair! There's an RB-1 here in Detroit with the same level of damage. The owner thinks it's worth north of $900.

Bridgestone RB 1 1992 56cm Original RB1 Bike Peterson Design | eBay

hjacobson

Sorry it's taken so long for me to reply. When I hit the curb the fork tube bent slightly and the seat tube and top tube bent slightly near the bottom edge of the head tube Nervex lugs, shortening the wheelbase slightly. There appears to be no damage to the front rim. I doubt there's damage to the headset raceways since rotating the fork is smooth (Phil Wood grease last application). The seat stem is not frozen, the quick releases work (what else?). Regarding the non-Campy brakes, I understand from when I purchased they are re-branded Weinmann. The front derailleur is Campy, the rear is what Schwinn put on the Touring model. The owner of the bike shop in Flushing, NY (I forget his name but he was involved somehow with the US Olympic team) where I bought the Paramount suggested the frame was compromised which I interpreted to mean unsafe. Anyway since the mid-80's I've ridden a Specialized Stumpjumper, still crazy after all these years.

Please accept my apology; my intention was not to be rude in any way. I'm confused by the rules which I read. As I understood it if I posted this in the valuation forum I couldn't then offer it for sale. I don't follow forums anymore (a matter of domestic tranquility) so I'm not familiar with posting.

I know elbow grease needs to be applied to make this bike, or parts of it, shine.

cyclotoine

Thank you for your metered and considerate response @hjacobson. I was surprised by all the heated posts in this thread. I think your offer is reasonable and people may offer you what they feel appropriate for you to consider. No one should be offended.

The damage to your frame appears minimal and personally I'd ride it. I understand it has been straightened which is an acceptable practice for minor front impacts like this, but it is now "compromised". Not necessarily unsafe, but questionable and not longer having it's former value, which you clearly considered in your pricing. The price is for you and the buyer to negotiate, not others to judge.