rootboy 

Glad you said it Jim. This seems like a save. Not a disfiguring of an otherwise good hub. And I love Campy Record hubs.

Henry III

Is your fridge stockpiled with Haterade? It's a Record hub. How many billions of these were made? I think I see more Record hubs then lower end(GS, Nuovo Tipo...)Campy hubs quite honestly. I've got another set of Record high flange hubs that Mike DeSalvo laced up when he was still in high school from his old Centurion Ironman. Just cool little things but their still just hubs at the end of the day such as these.

Pars 

Eh, ignore them Henry. You have stated your reasons for doing this (valid), so fork them

How are you coming along on the front hub? Have you decided to shim a bearing, or have you come across any that will fit?

Henry III

Nothing on finding a bearing. Either I find something somewhat close but the inner dimension won't work. Talked to our very own drillium extraordinaire Otis(Jon Williams) but the jaws on his lathe isn't big enough to grab the flanges. So I need to call around a few shops in town.

Doing a shim could probably work but I just don't like the idea of shimming a bearing. Not to mention my snazzy dust caps won't fit and their also spacers for the sleeve nuts. Without them the sleeve nuts sit slightly below the edge of the hub and wouldn't be able to fit a cone wrench to adjust them.

Sixty Fiver

Interesting... I have a lathe and we already build cartridge bearing hubs.

Using a threaded axle and existing locknuts is the easiest method although a stepped axle and fitted end caps with provisions for QR would not be that hard to do.

Henry III

There's no room to fit a stepped axle in these whatsoever unless you drill it out a little. Even then this isn't much material left in the center terms of the hub. I debated in trying it to fit a sleeve inside but it's probably only an 1/8" there of material thickness in the first place. I'll figure something out though and get the front done.

Henry III

Picked up my front hub from the machine shop. Luckily it only ran me $40 and the owner of the shop was super nice and helpful. Dropped it off Thursday and was done Monday afternoon as Fridays the shop is closed.

The Surly dust caps fit perfectly. Now just to figure out what I'm going to lace them to? I'm debating on doing some tubulars as I found the perfect rims for it.

I'll post some pics in the morning. I also painted the slots black as the frame I'm building is going have a panda color scheme. Mostly white but with a black seattube and headtube and some black bits here and there. Frame will get done this summer once we get settled in the new house next month.

Henry III

Now I can ask someone the title of this thread and then hand them these!

When they don't exist. Make them yourself!



Now what kind of skewers? Just original curved Record levers and converted for a 130 OLD spacing like I did on the Cannondale?

Italuminium

Big thumbs up Henry! I wonder though, why the extra dust cap? Loads of hubs, including campy's own SB hubs just rely on the bearing seal alone, and I think the extra touch of color is nice, if I were ever to try such a cool conversion.

noglider 

Nice work, @Henry III. For your next trick, please convert the rear hub to a freehub.

@miamijim, why do you think you've seen more ruined front hubs than rear hubs? My experience is the opposite.

Henry III

I didn't really want the bearings showing and the Surly dustcaps were supposed to be more cosmetic but their actually needed. Reason being is that you won't be able to adjust the sleeve nut and locknut because it will sit below the edge of the opening and won't be able to fit your cone wrenches on them. Plus without them they look kind of crude and makes them look pretty much stock. It's crazy how perfectly they fit and look.

Henry III

Tom, trust me I've probably scratched a bald spot on my head thinking of how to do it. lol. I think it would involve using a freewheel and machining it down to slide a hollowed out freehub body and welding it on. But they want to share the same space. But I'll still keeping trying to figure out a way. I think for the time being just to use a Sunrace 8 or 9 spd freewheel and hope for the best. Then I can run these hubs and some Ergo shifters.

noglider 

To be serious, being able to put a cassette on is nice but not as useful as having the DS bearing farther out. That's the big win with cassette hubs. I ran a 7-speed freewheel on my McLean, which had Record hubs. No problems bending the axle, and the shifting is just grand with a twist-tooth freewheel and a modern chain. I would not recommend spacing it out further, though, to accommodate a wider freewheel. Trouble lies therein. 8-speed freewheels lead to broken axles, quickly.

Henry III

I'm not that aggressive of a rider and normally sit down when I climb. But still something I've taken note of how far that freewheel is hanging over unsupported stressing that axle.

jeirvine 

Keep it 126 FW and run Shimergo: 7 speed HG cassette with 8sp Ergos/RD. Bob's your uncle.

miamijim

Tom, no good explanation for it. All I can say is front spare parts are harder to find and I've come across more front hubs needing parts than rears. Perhaps rear hubs were serviced more frequently than fronts and thus didnt go through parts as often?

Henry III

Another thing I'd like to try is just swapping out the original loose bearings with loose ceramic bearings in my Guerc. I've read that even swapping loose bearings there's a noticeable difference. Well see...

gaucho777 

20 years from now, someone is going to end up selling these as *RARE* Proto-type Campagnolo Record Sealed Bearing Hubs BIN - $1000!!!

CliffordK

I picked up some Chinese ceramic bearings off of E-Bay.

I can't say they seem much smoother than the original bearings. Quality steel balls are quite smooth as is. I was having some issues with the cheap cones that Shimano was using on my hubs... which I'm now polishing too. So... if I could only put a few more more miles on the bike in a year, I'd truly know if they make a difference for longevity.

CliffordK

Uhhh.... Ohhh....

I think Henry's been hanging out on E-Bay

I inadvertently snagged this on E-Bay.



Certainly not what I was expecting. It looks like they've cut the threads narrow too .

It feels like it has slightly more resistance than a well tuned cup & cone. It could probably use something to be made that resembles a dust cap, as well as a oil port cover.

And, it would ae been a nice 32h hub

Henry III

Well it's been almost a year since I finished my conversion and finally got a chance to build up the wheels. I picked up a flipper a few months ago and kept the wheels because I've been wanting a tubular wheelset. Well the hubs were old Gnutti high flanges but were pretty rough so I pulled everything apart and tossed the hubs in the parts pile and cleaned up the nice 15g double butted stainless spokes and Fiamme red labels. Picked up some DT Swiss silver alloy nipples and spent the evening lacing up some wheels. No issues and spin buttery smooth. I still have to tension them but can't wait to try them out with the NOS D'Alessandro Speciale tires that were on the wheels. Heck they weren't even glued on! Only cost me $10 for the nipples to build up these wheels. These will go onto my Guerciotti for the time being.

qcpmsame 

Pictures please! the hubs certainly turned out excellently, even if those biased against your conversion might have me strung up, drawn and quartered for saying so. I work closely with a master machinist (nuclear component industry, fabrication of reactors, back in the day for Westinghouse) he undertakes these types of projects, just not bicycle related. Same reaction from the traditionalist to some of his projects, kill the bastard for doing that. I am a hard core Campagnlo guy, just new to the build world, I have absolutely no problem with this at all, though.

Show us the complete wheelset, please.

Bill

Henry III

I'll post some up tomorrow as my phone is dead.

Henry III

Narhay

I think these are super cool and I'm impressed with the resourcefulness. High flange record hubs are the most elegant hubs made (in my opinion) and being able to figure out how to do this is pretty amazing. If I had a set of trashed cones and races I would be interested in doing this.