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I'd need to know how the O.L.D on a Super Course would work with a 4 1/2" SA 3 speed hub. But apparently, it can be done. I've also heard that you can use a crank with a 10 speed sprocket with a single speed chain, but I have no experience with this myself. Just wondering what problems I would have to overcome with a Super Course 3 speed conversion.
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My point is that the distinction between road single, path racer, and club model seems pretty meaningless if the geometry is the same, the drivetrain options were the same, and the only difference is the type of dropout. I know they were marketed differently (and maybe existed in different periods?), I just don't see a functional difference.
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'47 JA Holland fixed resto-mod. Vintage frame & paint, GB bars and brake with newish fenders rims and crank...it's my daily rider
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'72 Lambert certainly checks off the "English" box. Mudguards, chainguard, IGH, Brooks and old centerpull brakes all fit right into the category.
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
SuperCourse fixie is probably a shoo-in:
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
SuperCourse fixie is probably a shoo-in:
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● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1979 Motobecane Grand Jubile ●1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●
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'72 Lambert certainly checks off the "English" box. Mudguards, chainguard, IGH, Brooks and old centerpull brakes all fit right into the category.
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
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[QUOTE=dweenk;17776350]Here's my Raleigh Royale as found. I am beginning the restoration (actually more of a clean-up, tune-up, & ride).
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I dig. Something about the reddish gumwalls and the bars (what do you call those, anyway?) says Françoise Sagan to me...
I dig. Something about the reddish gumwalls and the bars (what do you call those, anyway?) says Françoise Sagan to me...
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On the theme of "l-caveman's" Lambert, here's my '81 Comp GS with a Sturmey s3x hub, kind of an British Fusion thing I suppose but the Brooks tape, saddle and Bluemels shorties are certainly a nod to it's blood line.
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'72 Lambert certainly checks off the "English" box. Mudguards, chainguard, IGH, Brooks and old centerpull brakes all fit right into the category.
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
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Good eye there, old chap. I think it may be the only NOS part of any significant vintage I've ever installed on a bike. Since you knew what it was, do you have any idea of when they stopped making this model?
Also, I should probably mention that is a proper Lambert of England crank set on the bike, not one of those silly froggy TA Specialities imitators
Also, I should probably mention that is a proper Lambert of England crank set on the bike, not one of those silly froggy TA Specialities imitators
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Brianinc-ville,
The tires do have a bit more orange tint in the sidewall, but I think that the lighting may have enhanced that.
As for the bars:
They are about 52cm wide, and swept back about 4cm. The rise/drop is only 2.5cm to 3cm. I don't have another set like them, but they are comfortable.
I'm in the dis-assembly process now - waiting for Liquid Wrench to work on the cotter pins. They will come out tomorrow.
The light wiring enters the down tube at the bottom of the head lug, runs through the bottom bracket to the chain stay and exits here just behind the clamp-on derailleur cable stop.
The tires do have a bit more orange tint in the sidewall, but I think that the lighting may have enhanced that.
As for the bars:
They are about 52cm wide, and swept back about 4cm. The rise/drop is only 2.5cm to 3cm. I don't have another set like them, but they are comfortable.
I'm in the dis-assembly process now - waiting for Liquid Wrench to work on the cotter pins. They will come out tomorrow.
The light wiring enters the down tube at the bottom of the head lug, runs through the bottom bracket to the chain stay and exits here just behind the clamp-on derailleur cable stop.
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@Lascauxcaveman
Too bad, I've got the correct mudguards for your chainguard, also NOS.
Hmmm.
Birmingham Mudguards was a huge manufacturer, supplying many if not most bikes outside of the Raleigh empire, including many Canadian companies which is why I know them to see them. BSA, Hercules, anyone not based in Nottingham.
I suspect they went the way of most Brit bike makers and faded off after the 70's and 80's. I'd guess these were made anytime from the late 40's through the 60's. Roadster production certainly went into decline after that.
Too bad, I've got the correct mudguards for your chainguard, also NOS.
Hmmm.
Birmingham Mudguards was a huge manufacturer, supplying many if not most bikes outside of the Raleigh empire, including many Canadian companies which is why I know them to see them. BSA, Hercules, anyone not based in Nottingham.
I suspect they went the way of most Brit bike makers and faded off after the 70's and 80's. I'd guess these were made anytime from the late 40's through the 60's. Roadster production certainly went into decline after that.
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'72 Lambert certainly checks off the "English" box. Mudguards, chainguard, IGH, Brooks and old centerpull brakes all fit right into the category.
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
SuperCourse fixie is probably a shoo-in:
The aero brake levers and Shimano 8-speed IGH kinda push it right back out again. And black rims? Huh?
What say, you, O jury of my peers? Does the Lambert frankenbike belong in the club?
SuperCourse fixie is probably a shoo-in:
05-06-15, 06:55 PM
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I finally had a chance to take a look tonight and see what it is I did. Looks like I added 1.5mm spacers to each side, and then just squeezed to make up the remaining 2mm and have that hub fit in a 120mm dropout. That's more do-able with a hub like the AM, which takes a two-piece indicator and is adjusted from where it comes out of the axle on the non-drive side.
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I finally had a chance to take a look tonight and see what it is I did. Looks like I added 1.5mm spacers to each side, and then just squeezed to make up the remaining 2mm and have that hub fit in a 120mm dropout. That's more do-able with a hub like the AM, which takes a two-piece indicator and is adjusted from where it comes out of the axle on the non-drive side.
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● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1979 Motobecane Grand Jubile ●1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●
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Oh, by all means, try it! This is one of those things where you really should not take someone else's word for anything.
But to answer your question, I don't really dislike anything about it. It's just that...
On one side of the equation, the thing I like about the true fixie is that it forces you to learn to pedal at every conceivable cadence. For example, on Saturday I rode my fixie 110 miles, 7100 feet of climbing, maximum speed 37.4 mph according to my gps program. I don't think I'll do that again! On some of the descents I had to pedal at a 175 rpm or so, which is getting pretty close to scary! To maintain control, you want to be putting power into the pedals at all times; so even when you're screaming down a hill and you can't imagine your legs going any faster than they already are, you try to ride the bike, not let the bike ride you. And I was struggling up hills at a walking pace, a cadence maybe 30rpm, which is almost painful. Now, I don't enjoy those extremes; so to get up the hills I attack them as fast as I can, getting up the hills with the highest cadence possible. The end result is that on a short to medium fixie ride (up to 60 miles or so) my average speed is a couple mph faster than on a geared bike. It's hard work, but it's a blast. Somehow the S3X doesn't give me that.
Neither the S3X nor the AW is quite as much crazy fun as a true fixie; but they come equally close.
On the other side of the equation, the fun of a geared bike, and this includes a regular old three speed, is that you can chose a cadence that works for the terrain. On a three speed you have fewer choices, but you still downshift for the climbs, upshift for the descents, and when gravity really takes over you just coast. It's a blast. But somehow the S3X doesn't give me that.
So it's not that there's anything bad about the S3X, but that it misses out on the best parts of fixed gear and misses out on the best parts of variable gears.
I should point out that @JohnDThompson has a Viscount set up almost exactly the same as my Lambert. It might be fun to hear his thoughts on it as well.
But to answer your question, I don't really dislike anything about it. It's just that...
On one side of the equation, the thing I like about the true fixie is that it forces you to learn to pedal at every conceivable cadence. For example, on Saturday I rode my fixie 110 miles, 7100 feet of climbing, maximum speed 37.4 mph according to my gps program. I don't think I'll do that again! On some of the descents I had to pedal at a 175 rpm or so, which is getting pretty close to scary! To maintain control, you want to be putting power into the pedals at all times; so even when you're screaming down a hill and you can't imagine your legs going any faster than they already are, you try to ride the bike, not let the bike ride you. And I was struggling up hills at a walking pace, a cadence maybe 30rpm, which is almost painful. Now, I don't enjoy those extremes; so to get up the hills I attack them as fast as I can, getting up the hills with the highest cadence possible. The end result is that on a short to medium fixie ride (up to 60 miles or so) my average speed is a couple mph faster than on a geared bike. It's hard work, but it's a blast. Somehow the S3X doesn't give me that.
Neither the S3X nor the AW is quite as much crazy fun as a true fixie; but they come equally close.
On the other side of the equation, the fun of a geared bike, and this includes a regular old three speed, is that you can chose a cadence that works for the terrain. On a three speed you have fewer choices, but you still downshift for the climbs, upshift for the descents, and when gravity really takes over you just coast. It's a blast. But somehow the S3X doesn't give me that.
So it's not that there's anything bad about the S3X, but that it misses out on the best parts of fixed gear and misses out on the best parts of variable gears.
I should point out that @JohnDThompson has a Viscount set up almost exactly the same as my Lambert. It might be fun to hear his thoughts on it as well.
That bike isn't an English Club bike, but I think they would approve of the concept. Designed as a road fix gear with brakes and dropouts long enough to go 12 tooth to 23 tooth without messing with the chain. (I think a 24 would also work but I haven't seen one yet.)
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It occurs to me that while the bike might not be vintage, it is certainly vintage-inspired -
- 2002 Mercian Vincitore road fixed-gear, designed to replicate a bunch of vintage Brit-bike features. If I were doing it all over again I would specify long forward-facing dropouts rather than track ends, but other than that this has been an awesome bike and remains my all-time favorite.
- 2002 Mercian Vincitore road fixed-gear, designed to replicate a bunch of vintage Brit-bike features. If I were doing it all over again I would specify long forward-facing dropouts rather than track ends, but other than that this has been an awesome bike and remains my all-time favorite.
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It occurs to me that while the bike might not be vintage, it is certainly vintage-inspired -
- 2002 Mercian Vincitore road fixed-gear, designed to replicate a bunch of vintage Brit-bike features. If I were doing it all over again I would specify long forward-facing dropouts rather than track ends, but other than that this has been an awesome bike and remains my all-time favorite.
- 2002 Mercian Vincitore road fixed-gear, designed to replicate a bunch of vintage Brit-bike features. If I were doing it all over again I would specify long forward-facing dropouts rather than track ends, but other than that this has been an awesome bike and remains my all-time favorite.
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