Help identify lugs on 1975 Cecil Walker Australian road frame
I recently picked up a vintage road bike - a Cecil Walker made in Melbourne, Victoria. I'm interested in what the lugs are if they are known to anyone? I'm certain they're not Nervex or Prugnat and I'm not familiar with other lug designs of the 1970s.
I've attached some pictures that show the lugs. The frame is 56cm top tube with forged Zeus dropouts front and rear, and I am guessing it might be 531 straight gauge tubing - there is no seam in the seat tube, and it weighs 2.4 kg (5.28 lbs) mainframe and 0.88 kg (1.94 lbs) forks. It takes a 26.8mm seatpost.
It came with some decent components - first generation Dura Ace gears, crankset, shifters and typical Weinmann 610 brakes, but also Cinelli Mod 65 handlebars (with the knight logo on each side) and A1 stem.
Should be a fun bike to bring back to life, I've built some 27" wheels for it (the old ones were just horrible) and procuring a seatpost and saddle.
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never seen any like them before. I suspect custom-cut from blank lugs, maybe Nervex blanks but more likely from EKLA or Haden...? Some brand that British builders would have used, since I'd assume that's where Cecil Walker would have sourced his materials in the '70s. The BB shell looks a little "worked" as well, any stamping on it?
Hey thanks for your reply! I've had a careful look over the frame and the only identifying marks are "75008" stamped on the bottom of the bottom bracket shell and also on the fork steerer. Thanks for the other lug type suggestions, I've had a look at those and EKLA is most similar but I don't think they are the ones. The fork crown on mine is flat across the front and back. The front frame lugs have a point in the middle on the front of the head tube and are straight on the sides, not curved like EKLA or Haden. Let me know if you have any other suggestions.
On a second look at some of the Haden lugs I think you're right! They look exactly like the Polaris/Firefly lugs in this catalogue page:
Haden advert for Firefly and Polaris lug patterns
The bottom bracket shell looks a little different on mine, and not sure about the fork crown.
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all those lug-makers (Nervex, EKLA, Haden) used to supply builders with blank lugs so they could cut their own distinctive flight of fancy into them, but the Hadens you showed in that old advert look pretty close so this might be a stock pattern on at least the headlugs. Are the tubes flattened at all where they enter the BB shell or is that an illusion in the photo?
did you look at this thread?
Big Block: yes I saw that more recently I admit, thanks for the link (also my account isn't working on the local forum at the moment).
Unworthy1: No the tubes aren't flattened, just an illusion I guess. Yeah pretty sure head lugs and seatpost lug are the Haden shown, I've seen the bottom bracket shell on other frames but not sure what it is, same goes for the fork crown.
Next challenge is getting it "tripleized". The derailleur is a Crane GS with a 14-28t Shimano freewheel. The crankset is ready (original Dura Ace with Willow 50/40/30 combo), just need to figure out the bottom bracket length, it definitely doesn't fit on the original 112.5mm spindle! I'm going for a 118mm cartridge type and may need to adjust with spacers.
I'll be seeking views on an appropriate seatpost for this bike - Nuovo Record? Zeus copy? Sugino copy - although I think these weren't available until the 80s?
Last edited by swin1; 05-12-15 at 02:31 AM.
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I've finished restoring this bike but have decided to sell it to fund other projects. If you're in Australia you might be interested. It's listed on ebay - Vintage Bicycle 1975 Cecil Walker 10 Speed 56cm | eBay