1simplexnut

Righto , just got my grubby hands on this golden oldie .
Have had a prowl through the catalogues and as usual has got me thoroughly confused .
Interested to hear any opinions about model / date etc
Basically complete apart from front derailleur (sora !!) and one missing simplex shifter .
Tentatively dated to 1977 based on hub code. Could be older ? . The hubs are large flange exceltoo ? French from what I can glean from google land.
Has a french retailer sticker on the down tube .
A little bit of green and gold reynold sticker above shifters and most of one on one fork .
Usual components present. Mafac racer , simplex rear derailleur and a nice set of stronglight cranks .

Now some pictures apologies for the lighting . Will take some better ones in the daylight next chance I get .

Any info feedback gratefully accepted .

gioscinelli 

Hard pressed to tell from the photos, would guess it's a PX10 for the tubing 531 decals. Nice Peugeot, hope it fits, because the ride is fantastic!

Narhay

I was going to say PR-10 based on the crank and unchromed stays but the 531 fork cancels that. I'd say PX-10 or better.

bertinjim 

1simplexnut-

It's a PS 10. They were only offered for about 2 years and rarely seen in NA. The telltale is the Stronglight 57 crankset, 531 main and fork with the AO 8/UO 8 pressed crown on the fork. The frame had hi-tensile stays and was built on PX 10 geometry. You see them with half chromed fork like yours and with full painted fork as well. Functionally, it is a PX 10.

oddjob2

^ When did New Zealand become part of NA?

bertinjim 

Hi, oddjob-

The other comments were from other American or Canadian observers. We didn't get PS 10s here and I think the US didn't either, just the successor Competition model. So, since it was a Euro and Elsewhere model, most North Americans would be unfamiliar with it. Besides, we have that whole Commonwealth thing going on with New Zealand.

John E

This North American has never seen a PS-10. As others have noted, we had the choice of a 531 main triangle only (PR/PKN-10 Competition) and the full monty (PX-10 Super Competition).

Once again this website proves educational.

1simplexnut

Thanks Jim (yet again) rarely seen in NZ also . The pressed crown had me puzzled especially with the 531 decals .
Now for the fun of stripping and cleaning the old girl!

Thanks everyone for your input

verktyg 

NONE OF THE ABOVE!

It's most likely some version of a mid 70s P?-60 made for the French market (see French bike shop sticker on set tube). "60" referred to Peugeot's touring models.

The cranks are mid 70s Stronglight Model 49. The better quality Peugeot bikes made of all Reynold 531 tubing used forged or cast fork crowns rather than the stamped steel one on this bike which adds to the mystery.

Peugeot, Motobecane, Gitane and Raleigh made an enormous number of undocumented models for specific markets around the world.

les spécifications sont sujettes à modification sans préavis

Specification were subject to change on a whim.

The Shimano front derailleur is a replacement. Peugeot used Normandy and Maillard hubs so the wheels were probably switched too. It may have originally came with sewup wheels.

Also, TA chainrings will fit your Stronglight cranks. That gives you a range of chainrings from 26T and up plus they are easy to convert to a triple.

You may never know the true pedigree of your bike but it should be a really nice rider so enjoy your "batard"...

verktyg

Chas.

Fahrenheit531 

Whatever the name, that is one sweet bike.

1simplexnut

Hi thanks for the input . Was looking at it tonight and was thinking a touring model ? Has mudguard eyelets front and rear . also has a small rack attached to the front mafac racer brake. Presume this was to support a bag ?

Figured the Sora was a replacement for the front :-)

Had my suspicions about the wheels but they are dated about right so may have been changed early on ? Mavic clincher rims in good nick . Spokes not so hot.

Will take some better pictures when I get better light to show detail to all .

Again my thanks to all for input .

miamijim

Many PX10's were built with UO style pressed crowns. Crown style should be considered but it's not a deciding factor.

bertinjim 

Hi, Charles-

It's probably a PS 10. The 1978 catalogue page here is almost identical to 1simplexnut's photo. The touring model would have typically had a brazed-on generator tab on the left rear seatstay which his bike doesn't have accompanied by internal wiring for a headlight. The TA bag support was standard on the P? 60 touring bikes as were plastic fenders but TA's were often fitted after sale. The PS was the do all club model with good quality 2nd tier components. Good catch, 1simplexnut.

1simplexnut

looking at that catalogue page and the list of components I think I will concur with Bertinjim . Its a PS10 .
Has been stripped now to naked frame . Not too rough considering it was pulled from a skip ( by the previous owner )
PAint a bit rough here and there as to be expected . Everything came a part nicely which was a pleasant surprise .Chrome on forks all good as coated in lacquer !
Most of "as found" components will go back as they seem to be correct period etc .
Just have to spend a couple of weeks dismantling , cleaning and polishing all the bits

1simplexnut

back together !!!! almost Just some cables to sort and she is on the road ! . Had to throw it together to clear the workshop as i have three more bikes coming
next week . (need another shed) ahhhh!

Grand Bois

Definitely a PS10.

CMAW 

Nice work 1Simplexnut, I really love those French cancan brake lever unmentionables

1simplexnut

hee hee cant say I have ever thought of them like that . Every time I get to grips with them now it will feel rather lude !
They have been kicking aboutthe cave for a while waiting for the right build .

bertinjim 

1simplexnut-

Lovely job! Enjoy the ride.

1simplexnut

Hi Jim , thanks. will indeed I will !

drewrockstarr

Sweet bike! New to vintage Pugs and complete layman to bike terms. What parts were hardest to source? Getting my PSV today with tubulars and looking for appropriate clincher wheels set was a pain. And due to my ignorance of freewheel versus fixed cassette. Steep learning curve.

miamijim

Its just like sourcing parts for old cars, its all relative to the part and age of the part. Some of the French specific parts like stems, headsets and BB's can be difficult but only if your looking for an identical part.

bcmBF

Long-time lurker, first time poster.

I've been searching locally for a 58cm PX-10 and have come up short. I recently ran across this one after extending my reach to eBay: Peugeot PX 10 circa 1973 all French all Reynolds DB | eBay

The price is high, and I'm not sure they've dated it correctly as a '73 (Serial: 7013906). I made an offer of $700 and was ignored.

I'm also not sure what variant of the PX-10 this is. No fancy lugs, Stronglight 99 as opposed to the more common 93, doesn't appear to have the simplex stamped dropouts, etc. Anyway, just thought someone might have some commentary on it, aside from the high price.

Thanks!

Edit: typos

bertinjim 

bcmBF -

I would say it is an early to mid-70s PX 10. It has full 531 and chrome socks front and rear which are characteristic of PX 10s. The Stronglight 99 is a period factory variation. The levers are atypical - they would usually be either the plain bladed alloy bodied levers or the fully alloy levers with drillium holes up the blades. The front derailleur is the usual plastic Prestige but the rear plastic Criterium has been replaced with an Simplex alloy equivalent, a good deal. Wheels look like the OEM Maillard 700 / Peugeot Trophy HF hubs with tubular rims. All in all, most everything is still there and the overall condition looks very good. The price at $799 may look high but there is very little to do (new levers, dropout screws, tires? maybe) compared to a full on new paint job and restoration. On a lesser example, paint is $300 to $700 alone and a full on restoration of the "cheaper" bike could run nearly $2,000. So, $799 is high but how badly do you want a PX 10 and how much work do you want to do on it?

Finally, consider that this vintage PX 10 has French threaded parts. It needs a unique crank extractor, a special freewheel remover, a French threaded freewheel if you want to change gearing and a French threaded headset. None of this is a problem as the parts are available but you need to consider this. The extractor and freewheel remover are the minimum and will likely set you back another $70 dollars or so. The PX 10 was and is a fine bike. Now you have to decide which way you would like to go with it.

bcmBF

Thanks for the perspective, bertinjim.

After a little more reading I feel confident it's a 1977 PX10LE. The specs on the chart from this handy site: https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com match it well.

I plan to offer near what the seller is asking and hopefully I'll be back to ask more questions--as an owner--soon.