The Wearing Of (Vintage?) Leader/Champion Jerseys When Neither Leader Nor Champion
05-16-15, 07:38 AM
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I have 2 marine corps jerseys that I wear proudly, I earned them. I would be pretty po'd if I saw someone wearing one because they liked the colors.
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05-16-15, 07:57 AM
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@jyl - aren't jerseys very "revealing"? As in tight? I bought a Castelli cycling shirt/top/jersey - you know zip up front, short sleeves, water bottle pockets sewn onto the back. I bought this in about 2-3 sizes larger than I usually wear, when I weighed about 6 lbs less, and let's just say.....well it is/was quite revealing, leaving little to the imagination. I don't wear it at all.
Or are you talking about something else?
As far as the "rules"- just use your best judgement in the moment.
Or are you talking about something else?
As far as the "rules"- just use your best judgement in the moment.
Okay, since we are talking about jerseys, anyone got pics of their favorite jerseys? Either on the bike or off? It can be as leader or champion jersey, to keep the thread on track, or vintage, to stay on topic, or anything at all, because some of you like to recklessly flout all rules, you wild crazy folk.
What would be especially helpful for me to see is a "civilian" riding in a leader or champion jersey, and not being pulled off the bike and quartered and his pieces burned by the slavering mob.
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Wearing a replica championship jersey, race leader jersey is just in poor taste.
But I won't wear pro team kit either, at least not current stuff.
I almost bought a good replica team jersey from the 60's but it had world championship arm and neck band trim.
I just could not bring myself to buy one.
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So I guess that applies to bikes with WC decals or stickers. I guess we need to hang them up also. I see a bike as no different than a Jersey. Ride and wear them as you see fit.
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I do on the other hand own a couple of team PDM jerseys and cap (though I'm not sure I've worn them) from the 80's that match my team PDM-colored 1989 Concorde Aquila which is main go-fast road bike, so maybe I'm a bit of a hypocrite.
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My guess is that the no-champion-jersey rule applies to those who are subject to the authority that issued the rule. If that authority has no jurisdiction over you, anything goes.
Look at it this way: If I'm a member of the Rotary Club, I have to follow the Rotary Club rules. But if I'm not a member, I'm free to ignore them.
That said, I think most cycling jerseys are over the top graphically. The back pockets are useful. I like plain solid-color versions.
Look at it this way: If I'm a member of the Rotary Club, I have to follow the Rotary Club rules. But if I'm not a member, I'm free to ignore them.
That said, I think most cycling jerseys are over the top graphically. The back pockets are useful. I like plain solid-color versions.
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05-16-15, 08:44 AM
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If I see someone wearing a Super Bowl shirt I'm pretty sure he didn't play in the game. Whenever I see someone wearing a marine corps shirt I go talk to them, especially if they are close to my age. The corps is small and more than likely you might know the same people. When I find out they didn't serve I want to slap them, but that's just my grumpy opinion. While I'm on the topic, I really really hate seeing volunteer firefighters with career professional license plates. I'm done, thanks.
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One day I got on the elevator. A guy gets on the elevator and faces the door. I'm looking at the back of a silk jacket with a great big likeness of the Congressional Medal of Honor and "MEDAL OF HONOR" embroidered across the back-
I could feel my face getting hot, I started to get really angry really fast... you don't just wear **** like that. I was just about to say something...
And then I got a glimpse of the guys arm. And then I realized WHO I was on the elevator with.
Gary Wetzel can wear whatever the **** he wants to wear- I nor anyone else is worthy of telling him otherwise.
I could feel my face getting hot, I started to get really angry really fast... you don't just wear **** like that. I was just about to say something...
And then I got a glimpse of the guys arm. And then I realized WHO I was on the elevator with.
The President of the United States
in the name of The Congress
takes pleasure in presenting the
Medal of Honor
to
in the name of The Congress
takes pleasure in presenting the
Medal of Honor
to
WETZEL, GARY GEORGE
Rank and organization: Specialist Fourth Class (then Pfc.), U.S. Army, 173d Assault Helicopter Company. Place and date: Near Ap Dong An, Republic of Vietnam, 8 January 1968. Entered service at: Milwaukee, Wis. Born: 29 September 1947, South Milwaukee, Wis. Citation:
Sp4c. Wetzel, 173d Assault Helicopter Company, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life. above and beyond the call of duty. Sp4c. Wetzel was serving as door gunner aboard a helicopter which was part of an insertion force trapped in a landing zone by intense and deadly hostile fire. Sp4c. Wetzel was going to the aid of his aircraft commander when he was blown into a rice paddy and critically wounded by 2 enemy rockets that exploded just inches from his location. Although bleeding profusely due to the loss of his left arm and severe wounds in his right arm, chest, and left leg, Sp4c. Wetzel staggered back to his original position in his gun-well and took the enemy forces under fire. His machinegun was the only weapon placing effective fire on the enemy at that time. Through a resolve that overcame the shock and intolerable pain of his injuries, Sp4c. Wetzel remained at his position until he had eliminated the automatic weapons emplacement that had been inflicting heavy casualties on the American troops and preventing them from moving against this strong enemy force. Refusing to attend his own extensive wounds, he attempted to return to the aid of his aircraft commander but passed out from loss of blood. Regaining consciousness, he persisted in his efforts to drag himself to the aid of his fellow crewman. After an agonizing effort, he came to the side of the crew chief who was attempting to drag the wounded aircraft commander to the safety of a nearby dike. Unswerving in his devotion to his fellow man, Sp4c. Wetzel assisted his crew chief even though he lost consciousness once again during this action. Sp4c. Wetzel displayed extraordinary heroism in his efforts to aid his fellow crewmen. His gallant actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country.
Rank and organization: Specialist Fourth Class (then Pfc.), U.S. Army, 173d Assault Helicopter Company. Place and date: Near Ap Dong An, Republic of Vietnam, 8 January 1968. Entered service at: Milwaukee, Wis. Born: 29 September 1947, South Milwaukee, Wis. Citation:
Sp4c. Wetzel, 173d Assault Helicopter Company, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life. above and beyond the call of duty. Sp4c. Wetzel was serving as door gunner aboard a helicopter which was part of an insertion force trapped in a landing zone by intense and deadly hostile fire. Sp4c. Wetzel was going to the aid of his aircraft commander when he was blown into a rice paddy and critically wounded by 2 enemy rockets that exploded just inches from his location. Although bleeding profusely due to the loss of his left arm and severe wounds in his right arm, chest, and left leg, Sp4c. Wetzel staggered back to his original position in his gun-well and took the enemy forces under fire. His machinegun was the only weapon placing effective fire on the enemy at that time. Through a resolve that overcame the shock and intolerable pain of his injuries, Sp4c. Wetzel remained at his position until he had eliminated the automatic weapons emplacement that had been inflicting heavy casualties on the American troops and preventing them from moving against this strong enemy force. Refusing to attend his own extensive wounds, he attempted to return to the aid of his aircraft commander but passed out from loss of blood. Regaining consciousness, he persisted in his efforts to drag himself to the aid of his fellow crewman. After an agonizing effort, he came to the side of the crew chief who was attempting to drag the wounded aircraft commander to the safety of a nearby dike. Unswerving in his devotion to his fellow man, Sp4c. Wetzel assisted his crew chief even though he lost consciousness once again during this action. Sp4c. Wetzel displayed extraordinary heroism in his efforts to aid his fellow crewmen. His gallant actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country.
Gary Wetzel can wear whatever the **** he wants to wear- I nor anyone else is worthy of telling him otherwise.
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It's a matter of the prize, not the stripes. I have a Columbus cap that has the WC stripe going over the top of it. I wear it all the time. Not the same thing.
But the OPs question is more akin to wearing a ring, not a shirt.
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This is like multiculturalism coming to a head on the bike path. Bike-racing culture folk might take offense, but when I wear my Specialized WC jersey (that I happen to like the look of) and someone asks me if I am the guy (if I won it), I'm kind of incredulous that it doesn't occur to someone that you can just go out and buy one (I'm assuming, or is my jersey a real trophy, I don't know since I bought it at a swap meet).
It has at least invited a bit of brief conversation within the too-serious training ride group a couple of times, and if someone is thinking that I look to be that good then I can take that as a compliment. Maybe an ex-champion could/would use a Schwinn Supersport for a training ride(?).
It has at least invited a bit of brief conversation within the too-serious training ride group a couple of times, and if someone is thinking that I look to be that good then I can take that as a compliment. Maybe an ex-champion could/would use a Schwinn Supersport for a training ride(?).
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I don't think anyone has any issue with vintage team jerseys. Showing up with a maillot jaune, or maglia rosa, or a National Champion's jersey or something with World Champion stripes ... that's different, and what what I was advising against.
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I don't care what people wear - it's not likely your 40 year old dentist ever rode pro for Festina. I'm used to seeing people wear MLB, NFL, NBA & NHL stuff all of the time.
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I have a Del Tongo jersey that I used to wear while riding my Colnago of the same vintage. I quit wearing it because folks keep asking me if I am Beppe Saronni.
Seriously, though, I don't think I would hesitate to wear it (and my other 80's pro team jerseys) now; however now I like the stealth look: An old guy in tee shirt and baggy pants. I find humor in seeing the the look in carbon kitted rider's faces when they turn their heads and see that they haven't seemed to dust me off.
05-16-15, 04:42 PM
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"guess that rules out most of the cycling attire worn at classic events like L'Eroica, Eroica California and similar venues! verktyg"
I don't think anyone has any issue with vintage team jerseys. Showing up with a maillot jaune, or maglia rosa, or a National Champion's jersey or something with World Champion stripes ... that's different, and what what I was advising against.
I have a nice collection of classic jerseys that I like to wear on occasion to match a bike I'm riding. I only stopped wearing some of them because they no longer fit!
I get the same kind of response out of the unwashed masses whether I'm wearing a Kucharik wool jersey or I'm wearing a team jersey WC stripes and all!
What would Eddy say?
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Not exactly sure where to ask this, but here we go.
Rule 16 says "Respect The Jersey: Championship and race leader jerseys must only be worn if you’ve won the championship or led the race." Velominati ? The Rules
Does this rule apply with equal force to leader and championship jerseys of vintage eras?
Suppose you take a fancy to the Vintage Wool Swiss Champion Jersey here Swiss Champion Wool Jersey - Vintage Velos - is wearing that as much of a violation as wearing a modern day Tour De France Yellow Jersey replica like TOUR DE FRANCE yellow jersey 2014 | Tour de France | BOBSHOP
Does this rule apply with equal force to leader jerseys from obscure races as to leader jerseys from major races?
For example, here is a fetching blue leaders jersey from the Tour De L'Aube. Vintage Cycling Leaders Jersey Tour de L'Aude France Size 2 NOS | eBay The Tour De what? Exactly. If you happen to fancy this shade of blue, can you get away with wearing it, because no-one other than a real cycling nut will recognize it as a leader's jersey?
Can you ever excuse violating this rule simply because you like the color of the jersey?
Suppose you are a man who likes pink. Hey, we are out there. And you need, like we "need" cycling anything, a long sleeve jersey for days when it is a touch chilly for a short sleeve jersey but not cold or wet enough for a Gabba. A men's long sleeve jersey in pink is not an easy thing to find, especially not for a good price. One day your wife points out a pink long sleeve jersey is on sale. But it happens to be a replica of the Giro D'Italia's leader jersey. What do you do? Giro D`Italia 2014 Overall Leaders Pink Jersey - Long Sleeve | Prendas Ciclismo
Rule 16 says "Respect The Jersey: Championship and race leader jerseys must only be worn if you’ve won the championship or led the race." Velominati ? The Rules
Does this rule apply with equal force to leader and championship jerseys of vintage eras?
Suppose you take a fancy to the Vintage Wool Swiss Champion Jersey here Swiss Champion Wool Jersey - Vintage Velos - is wearing that as much of a violation as wearing a modern day Tour De France Yellow Jersey replica like TOUR DE FRANCE yellow jersey 2014 | Tour de France | BOBSHOP
Does this rule apply with equal force to leader jerseys from obscure races as to leader jerseys from major races?
For example, here is a fetching blue leaders jersey from the Tour De L'Aube. Vintage Cycling Leaders Jersey Tour de L'Aude France Size 2 NOS | eBay The Tour De what? Exactly. If you happen to fancy this shade of blue, can you get away with wearing it, because no-one other than a real cycling nut will recognize it as a leader's jersey?
Can you ever excuse violating this rule simply because you like the color of the jersey?
Suppose you are a man who likes pink. Hey, we are out there. And you need, like we "need" cycling anything, a long sleeve jersey for days when it is a touch chilly for a short sleeve jersey but not cold or wet enough for a Gabba. A men's long sleeve jersey in pink is not an easy thing to find, especially not for a good price. One day your wife points out a pink long sleeve jersey is on sale. But it happens to be a replica of the Giro D'Italia's leader jersey. What do you do? Giro D`Italia 2014 Overall Leaders Pink Jersey - Long Sleeve | Prendas Ciclismo
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Dress Blues, Shower Shoes and a Light Coat Of Oil!If someone wants to wear doggie or squid paraphernalia I could care less!
I wear my "crotch" ball cap when I go to the VA!
What the OCD purists don't seem to understand is that Pro Bike Racing is ALL about advertising! That's why those sacred jerseys and other paraphernalia are widely produced and sold!
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For sale: Several US Postal Service team jerseys. NIB. I have some nice ones. Shorts too. That I'll never wear. And never intended to.
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I wear my Woolistic black wool jersey with the white cross on it, and love it.
Just hope no hunters mistake it for a target.
Just hope no hunters mistake it for a target.
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If a team jersey fits, comfortable and breaths while working out, its good enough for me. Though if given a leader color / themed jersey, quite sure I wouldn't wear it.
Now as this thread made me think of it, rarely do I even notice what another cyclist is sporting. Cyclist clothing is just a blur, NASCAR smattered sponsor of this and that overload.
Personally, I don't wear much of the team stuff anyways. Not that I don't like it, do have a few freebies that have been long boxed away, don't fit well and probably time to give them away. An old friend had a pile of genuine team jerseys, many champion autographed including a few pinned to his walls. I thought they were really cool and encouraged him to wear them ...lol. Eventually he decided to and this guy was no dog rider! A lean mean machine, so he could have fooled many.
I like golf and tennis shirts with the new high-tech fabrics. Even sleeveless for running, the pool and cycling. I have piles of stuff like this. Name brand closeouts that cost less than $10. Probably look like a goofball cyclist but could care less. I have Craftsman logo mechanics gloves for colder weather cycling, sport a Camelback for on and off-road, sometimes wear baggie off-road ATB type shorts for road, whatever. I wouldn't mind acquiring a few very old wool jersey's complete with moth eatin' holes and any team. Weird, eh?
My only story of someone approaching me about a team looking thing was about one of my motorcycles. I was parked somewhere with my bold yellow colored team Yamaha - Kenny Roberts replica scheme RZ-350 two-smoke. It came this way from the factory including Kenny Roberts sticker autograph. A gal approached me and ask if I was Kenny.. haha. I also had an genuine autographed Wes Cooley / Arai helmet. I wore it while riding my Honda's. Only reason for acquiring that one was it fit better than anything else from the dealer shelf stock and he sold it for cost (after buying a bike from him).
You go man!
Now as this thread made me think of it, rarely do I even notice what another cyclist is sporting. Cyclist clothing is just a blur, NASCAR smattered sponsor of this and that overload.
Personally, I don't wear much of the team stuff anyways. Not that I don't like it, do have a few freebies that have been long boxed away, don't fit well and probably time to give them away. An old friend had a pile of genuine team jerseys, many champion autographed including a few pinned to his walls. I thought they were really cool and encouraged him to wear them ...lol. Eventually he decided to and this guy was no dog rider! A lean mean machine, so he could have fooled many.
I like golf and tennis shirts with the new high-tech fabrics. Even sleeveless for running, the pool and cycling. I have piles of stuff like this. Name brand closeouts that cost less than $10. Probably look like a goofball cyclist but could care less. I have Craftsman logo mechanics gloves for colder weather cycling, sport a Camelback for on and off-road, sometimes wear baggie off-road ATB type shorts for road, whatever. I wouldn't mind acquiring a few very old wool jersey's complete with moth eatin' holes and any team. Weird, eh?
My only story of someone approaching me about a team looking thing was about one of my motorcycles. I was parked somewhere with my bold yellow colored team Yamaha - Kenny Roberts replica scheme RZ-350 two-smoke. It came this way from the factory including Kenny Roberts sticker autograph. A gal approached me and ask if I was Kenny.. haha. I also had an genuine autographed Wes Cooley / Arai helmet. I wore it while riding my Honda's. Only reason for acquiring that one was it fit better than anything else from the dealer shelf stock and he sold it for cost (after buying a bike from him).
You go man!
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The other point was he stated every test came out negative, what was avoided was "I never doped to win".
Yes, a bad era, and not fully done it seems.
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Don't want to get this thread derailed over that cheater but yeah...
What pisses me off is, now my jersey collection aint worth sheit!
Tainted goods with a funky smell, even though they're new.
Heh.....
What pisses me off is, now my jersey collection aint worth sheit!
Tainted goods with a funky smell, even though they're new.
Heh.....
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I wear my #10 Badger hockey jersey, signed by Mark Johnson, to all the games. I have season tickets. Lots of people there wearing team jerseys.
As for the topic of the thread, I have a rainbow jersey that I wear, but it's wool so I'm pretty sure that nobody's going to get me mixed up with the current world champion (I'm sure that's not the only reason either).
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Rode through there one time wearing a white jersey with WC rainbow stripes. Couldn't figure out why I was getting checked out by the guys so much then it occurred to me... DOH!
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