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    Is there such a tire ~ 27 inch vintage look perfomance gumwall for gravel / road?

    Long searching for such a tire in 27 inch for our early Santana tandem.

    Want gravel type with speedy road capability. Ideal tire would be a slight raised center / smooth and the balance having a file pattern. No knobbies. Big no to blackwalls.

    Pass on Pasela and the Kenda 161 cross type.

    Suggestions appreciated.

    ( Thoughts of another road only 27" Gatorskins but defeats the goal of wanting to take the tandem in the loose stuff. With that being the primary goal, I may cave to a wheel rebuild and start fresh with a 700c. )
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    Sort of begging the question...why no Paselas? Not much selection in 27s for good tires. Interested to hear if there are alternatives...

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    If you're willing to experiment with tire pressures, the 27" Gatorskins are on the generous side of normal width so may have enough leeway in terms of pressure for off-roading.

    These are the tires I trust on my tandem since they are ruggedized and tend toward a tight bead seating, as do all wired-on Continental tires.

    World Tours are really heavy, not the longest lasting tread but very generous in width and with ample tread. I don't recall their psi rating but they'll need less psi in any case because of their added width. Not as flat resistant as the Continentals and not as well made imo.

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    Get a set of Schwalbes. Just picked up a set, the other day, for my Motobecane Grand Jubilee. Much of my riding is on gravel, if I hope to reach a paved surface.
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    ^Randy, thanks for that tip. Have considered and only from online depictions. Haven't seen any at the stores.

    Regarding the Pasela, I'll have to look at which model or production year but they squatted out really weird on the tandem. Wasn't comfortable how they looked in regards to safety. Concerned for pinch flats and think had to over inflate to compensate... BIG time. I'll take a crash solo, but dare I do with a stoker. I put some old NOS Avocet's back on and all looks normal. Something not right or perhaps the Pasela model I have are simply not the right one. Removed them and now have them on another bike down south.
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    Ah -- makes sense. They are very supple tires so the weight of two riders might be a bit much for them. The TG version is a little less supple and may be better for tandeming, but some Schwalbes sounds like a good bet.

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    I have Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x28s on one of my "gravel" bikes, and they work great. Heavy, though.
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    Check out the "Sand Canyon" from the new Loose Screws. By Panaracer. Plan to get a set myself now that you reminded me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsleRide View Post
    Check out the "Sand Canyon" from the new Loose Screws. By Panaracer. Plan to get a set myself now that you reminded me.

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    Sand Canyon look interesting. 66 TPI for the skinwall vs 120 TPI blackwall. The stiffer sidewall is preferred.

    As mentioned, the issue with Pasela's on the tandem was having to over inflate. Probably could get away with using them for putzing around rides but that's all. On the high ambient temp days, hot tarmac and the extra friction created, theres a greater risk for a blowout. Furthermore, add the heat generated from braking on long descents. I don't have disc brakes on this older tandem but do have a vented rear drag / drum.
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    It really depends on whether or not you have hooked bead rims. If you have hooked rims I'd recommend the Schwalbe Marathon HS420. It's on the heavier side but it has a decent tread pattern for the rough stuff and excellent flat resistance. I've used them in 700x40 on a loaded touring/commuting rig and they're very durable. Max load is 90kg territory too. The only bad thing is that they don't work well with straight-side rims (they tend to blow off easily). They are blackwalls but they're probably the best functionality wise. The other option is the gumwall Schwalbe HS159, which has a pretty stiff casing and 85psi max pressure. From personal experience these do alright on loose surfaces as long as you take it slow.

    If you don't have hooked rims then I'd strongly suggest going to 700c. The only gravel type tire that works decently with straight side rims are the Kenda k161 Krosscyclos, which I'm not a big fan of. They wear out very quickly on pavement, the gum wall dry rots way to quickly, and they're prone to flats. Besides, the general safe pressure for straight side rims is 70-75psi, which is too low even for a 160lb rider like myself, not to mention a tandem. Paselas are nice but they do have problems with weak sidewalls.

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