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Old 05-28-15, 01:49 PM   #1
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Painted, Decals Gone - Investigating The Unknown...

A few years ago, my son acquired this old road bicycle, then presented pictures and information asking for identification help on the forums. Full Campy NR, Campy drops, 27.2 seat tube, beautiful workmanship, but an unknown commodity...



Painted with no marking, what so ever, the bicycle became his. The one clue, regarding pedigree, was the original owner's comment that the bicycle was purchased in 1968 and it was a Geoffrey Butler. No proof exists regarding that comment.

But I have been digging and, to the best of my ability determined that the bicycle is a Geoffery Butler, probably of late sixties vintage and most likely built by Cliff Shrubb. Now that is something but something yet to be proven, however; Cliff did, indeed, as one forum member mentioned, build bicycles for Geoffrey Butler and he (Cliff) would have been doing so in the late sixties. Cliff was also noted for his use of the seat lug that is featured on my bicycle...



Anyway, I was kind of hoping that restating my interest, a year or two later, might glean some help from someone who knows something, that I don't know. I do want to build this bicycle up, but not until I feel comfortable that I know what it is I am building.

So, if anyone has a clue, or two, clue me in, please.
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Old 05-28-15, 07:35 PM   #2
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Randy, it sounds like you've pretty much solved the mystery already. If the original owner said it's a Geoffrey Butler, and it looks like a Geoffrey Butler, why would you doubt him/her? That's not a name that everyone's heard, even amongst cycling enthusiasts. And if you can pin it down to the actual person who built it, well then you're doing better than me with any of my bikes. For more info I would get in touch with Hilary Stone, Hugh Thornton, and some of the other knowledgeable folks in England.
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Randy, it sounds like you've pretty much solved the mystery already. If the original owner said it's a Geoffrey Butler, and it looks like a Geoffrey Butler, why would you doubt him/her? That's not a name that everyone's heard, even amongst cycling enthusiasts. And if you can pin it down to the actual person who built it, well then you're doing better than me with any of my bikes. For more info I would get in touch with Hilary Stone, Hugh Thornton, and some of the other knowledgeable folks in England.
+1 Sounds like you have it sir! And, as knowledgeable as you are...there are not many that would question you!
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Looks like the same lugs as what's on my '71 Raleigh Professional, though with the fastback stays. You've dealt with more Raleighs than most everyone here, so if it were some strange variant, you would have figured it out by the serial number. I mention this only because I think this corroborates the '68 date. Frankly, unless Hilary or Norris Lockley were to confidently weigh in, I would go with what you were told.

Just a thought here - if Geoffrey Butler serial numbers have a known pattern, you might get one more data point to help nail things down by cross-checking their scheme to the bike's serial.
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