RobbieTunes

I think you've posted this info before, and I regret I didn't search for the Miyata tape the last time I mounted some tubulars.
That opportunity will re-present itself, I'm sure.

By the way, I've tapped back re: your Veloflex's.

Peugeotlover

Well, yes, that is good info on 'economies of scale'.

A 100ml/ 3.3oz/ 92.4 gram container of Panaracer rim cement is $19.95.
This works out to be $3.03 per tire.


Robbie, those Tubasti khakis, bet they stick tight. Who needs tape?

crank_addict

+1 regarding Continental glue.

One tube of schlauchreifenkitt conservatively is good for two wheels.

crank_addict

Last time buying some at a LBS, an employee was pushing one tube per wheel. Seems overkill and a potential mess.

With tape, your paying more for the convenience. No issues with Tufo.

RobbieTunes

Funny you should mention that.

Not to get too far off-topic, but the over-use of tubular glue has twice presented me with bargains, the most notable on a pair of Reynolds carbon wheels with Vittoria Corsa Evo CX tires (new) mounted.

Seller started at $1300, which was probably fair, considering the $1700 wheels were about 6 months old and the $90/each tires had less than 30 miles on them. When he dropped the price, inexplicably, to $800, I drove the 100 miles, as much out of curiosity as anything, perhaps a bargain was in the mix, perhaps not.
Inquiring minds, all that.

I rolled up at the agreed spot, and could see the wheels sitting against his truck. The excess glue was evident from quite a distance. It wasn't even stained black yet. The conversation started cautiously, and picked up a little speed...

"Um, nice wheels."
"Thanks"
"Nice tires, too."
"Thanks, they were almost $100 apiece."
"Why are you selling the wheels?"
"They're for Campagnolo, and I switched to SRAM on my new bike." (my ears perk up, hoping he didn't notice my increased heart rate).
Inhale. Deep breath.
"Well, I may be interested in Campagnolo. Uh, can I asked who mounted the tires?"
"Sure. I mounted the front. I had a bike shop mount the rear."
"You have got to be kidding." (couldn't help myself)
"Nope. I know it looks bad." (I nod.)
"Well, I like the wheels, I like the tires. However, I can't abide by that mounting, so I'd have to remove the tires and clean the wheels. I can handle that."
"I understand."
"The tires, well, they're a question mark. That much glue, I'd say it's 50/50 they're going to come off OK, and then 50/50 they're going to be re-useable. That's 25/100."
"Can't ride them as is?"
"I sure can, but I won't. They look awful, and they're off-center."
"I understand."

$500 changes hands, to include the Campy cassette that apparently had no more value to the seller. Wheels and tires and cassette go in the trunk.
Drive home 100 miles.

Each tire took about 30 minutes to carefully separate from the rim.
Each rim took about 30 minutes with a fiberglass brush to remove the caked glue.
Each rim took about 15 minutes, twice, to remove all residue with Extreme Goo Gone.
3 hours, and I was filthy. That was the easy part.

Each tire, inflated, took about 2 hours to brush, wipe, brush, wipe, pull, scrape, etc, to where it looked like something I could use.
I set them aside, and came back a week later, and went at them again, paying particular attention to the mounting area.
When it was over, I collected the removed glue into a couple of balls. Each was larger than a tube of mounting cement, by far.
There was still residue on the tires, but it was spread out and couldn't be scraped or dissolved safely (for the tire).

I mounted the tires, with tape, back on the same rims, not wanting to waste excellent tires.
I mounted the tires/wheels on a carbon Italian bike, and they ride great. They lose air overnight, of course.
After plenty of miles, a lot of the glue has re-clumped into little cling-ons, which I periodically look over and remove.

Now, while the whole thing probably saved me $300 on what I'd have paid, and I like the wheels, some tape (or a proper glue job) would have saved him the same amount, and he likely could have sold me the wheels for $750 with no tires on them at all, clean and ready to go. I see myself in him, though, being in a hurry to mount great tires on great wheels, and then SNAFU'ing the job due to lack of patience. I feel this SNAFU situation is less susceptible to tape, and if I can find Miyata tape at $5-$7/wheel? Definitely.

crank_addict

Robbie, you go man! Those Evo CX tubular are popular. Good on you cleaning the base tape.

Narhay

I tried mounting some continental giro tires with jantex tape. Had a very difficult time centering the rear tire for some reason. Both tires had lumps at the stem.

I might just be new and bad at it but I would not repeat that again. I'm going to try vittoria glue and some nicer tires this go around.

Grand Bois

I paid $5 each for Tufo Extreme tape. It was a while ago. From what I've read here, it must have gone up. It's worth it to me. I'll never bother with glue again.

I know that some people dislike tape because they failed to read and follow the instructions. That's their own fault. It's extremely easy to work with if you follow the instructions. Don't peel it until the tire is mounted and straightened to your satisfaction.

crank_addict

Conti Giro's are low-end and its possible you have an unlucky set. A crapshoot, as I've had some really good ones and yet one with a weird sidewall non-symmetric to a base tape. I tore that off, re-glued and repositioned. I don't mind low end tubulars for an occasional riding bike. The Giro's look good as the logo is minimal and a big plus for the gumwall.

For any wheelset acquired used, I like loosen all the spokes and re-tension myself and dial them in. For a tubular, dry test mount and see how they roll - check for out of round.

Centering- I find with tape, its clean and not an issue whatsoever.

As mentioned earlier, Continental glue is easy to work with. Apply very thin coats, let it set-up for 15 min. between them (2 coats should do it on the rim and 1 on the base tape). Its clear, non-run.

repechage

Leonard Zinn has mentioned recently, Effetto Mariposa Carogna gluing tape, which he seems to like for its holding power, but it appears to be pretty strong, along the lines of Tufo extreme.
No idea on price.
I like the Continental or Vittoria adhesive of the current offerings, I buy it by the can.
I use a worn out toothbrush to apply it.
The modern adhesives have less retack than the old standard, Clement "red".
obviously, there must have been something in that glue that does not allow it to be produced any longer.

My only additional comment would be that when carrying a spare, it should be primed with adhesive. Or, have some tape to roadside tape the tire on.
Even a primed tire with the modern stuff I think is a concern if you change a tire enroute and have to do some descending.

iab

Not a problem in this neck of the woods.