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    Just curious - is this Colnago real?

    Someone in the area is selling a bunch of collectible bikes - not cheap but some of the prices don't look bad.
    I'm don't know anything about Italian bikes or high end like this - but I'm surprised how generic this Colnago is - no pantagraphing at all that I can see.
    Probably too rich for me at $850 but I'm tempted by a Gitane that is for sale.

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    Post detailed photos of the top side of all of the lugs, the bottom of the bottom bracket (top of the bottom bracket too), the top of the seat stays, and the front and rear dropouts (without tires).
    Also the front of the head tube. Are there any holes in the head tube, covered by the current badge?

    My guess is that it is a FAKE.

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    My guess to.

    I don't see any clubs cut into the lugs and that fork doesn't look proper. Agreed though, better pics are needed to be sure.

    But it does actually look like a nice frame, just not a Colnago...
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    looks as real as the ones on alibaba

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    From what I see, it is a nice build with quality components. But, if the seller has one fake, it should also bring into question the rest of the bikes.

    Do all the frames look identical with different brands?

    Schwinn used a similar pump mount on some of their Japanese imports. I'm guessing Tange (TR?) dropouts?

    Colnago bikes, of course, would either have Colnago, or Campagnolo dropouts.

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    It is not a Colnago.

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    It has Colnago transfers.

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    You can slap Colnago decals on anything and claim it is a Colnago. Doesn't look anything like my '92. If this guy is selling a bunch of high-end and/or collectibles he knows it is fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhammett View Post
    If this guy is selling a bunch of high-end and/or collectibles he knows it is fake.
    Hadn't thought of that but you're probably correct. Even if he didn't know when bought he would have found later.
    The pictures are from the ad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhammett View Post
    If this guy is selling a bunch of high-end and/or collectibles he knows it is fake.
    Quite likely, but for all we know, the seller could have gotten duped too. Perhaps he bought it at a police auction, or bought what he thought was a Colnago frame and built it up without ever verifying. Or he is liquidating a relative's estate.

    I rode my Colnago for years before the World Wide Web even existed... and never "verified" it until recently.

    The frame is actually a nice enough frame so I have to ask WHY do the fake. Of course, buyers will pay a bit of a premium just for the name.

    Anyway, perhaps you should write back to the seller saying that you believe the bike is probably a fake, and ask for additional photos as mentioned above, and see what the seller says.

    The bike still would be worth $400 or so as-is.

    Some bikes like a Litespeed Titanium would be pretty hard to fake, but other bikes such as Peugeots are often listed as a higher quality model than they actually are.

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    Seat tube angle looks a bit slack.
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    Nothing like a DIY project turning an unknown frame into a fancy Italian replica. Bike clean up and spray paint completed! De Rosa (replica)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    Nothing like a DIY project turning an unknown frame into a fancy Italian replica. Bike clean up and spray paint completed! De Rosa (replica)

    I have not looked, that member still reading around?

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    I'm no Colnago expert, but that looks fake to me as well.

    List of seller's other bikes for sale:

    Kijiji : Poster's Ads.

    FWIW, nothing jumps out as obviously fake about the Look. For $650, it may be worth finding out more if you ride a 58cm frame. I'd certainly want to see more picture, esp. under BB with serial number, seat cluster, close-ups of dropouts, etc. It is missing the Reynolds 753 decal, but does have the proper head badge decal (which, afaik, is not available from any of the typical decal suppliers). The yellow seat post is offensive, though.

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    Quite the collection of bikes, each in almost immaculate condition (by the photos).

    The only one that jumps out as likely a fake is the Colnago. And, it is possible that the owner doesn't know. At least I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

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    Looks like this bike is up for sale again, sure looks like the same bike - nice profit margin.

    1989 colnago 56cm road bike Campagnolo | road | Hamilton | Kijiji

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    haha, some people
    its an ok colnago, maybe fake? but even so, its not that sexy...

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    Oh my!
    Seems sort of harsh and linked back to this thread. I always figure I'm not out to save the world from themselves - if anything a warning to research before buying might have been appropriate.

    1989 colnago 56cm road bike Campagnolo BEWARE FAKE? | road | Hamilton | Kijiji
    The red Colnago in the following ad is possibly a fake:

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    A good public service announcement.
    Having a flat tire as part of the total cycling experience is highly overrated. Knowing how to fix one quickly is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    Nothing like a DIY project turning an unknown frame into a fancy Italian replica. Bike clean up and spray paint completed! De Rosa (replica)

    I'm not sure if I'd put this one in the same category as the Colnago. It has stamped dropouts for petes sake. Anyone with a modicum of bike knowledge could spot that this one isn't a De Rosa from a mile away. The Colnago, while probably not actually a Colnago, at least looks to be a quality frame with parts you'd expect to see on a real Colnago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
    Quite the collection of bikes, each in almost immaculate condition (by the photos).

    The only one that jumps out as likely a fake is the Colnago. And, it is possible that the owner doesn't know. At least I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
    My feeling is that if you have an interest in vintage bicycles to the point where you've popped down bunches of money to own several really nice examples of really nice, and expensive bikes- you either figure out you've got a fake in short order, or you're a fool.
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    I like how this forum becomes an Expert Forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by from kijiji ad above
    The original listing was discussed on an expert forum as to whether the bike was counterfeit or not. Concensus on the forum is that the bike was a fake.
    Perhaps a better description would be a vintage enthusiast or aficionado forum.

    As far as knowing one has been had. I agree that someone that is "flipping" vintage bikes should do at least the basic research.

    I'm not big on the thousand dollar plus vintage bikes. My old bike just got older.

    If I found a classic De Rosa or Pinarello, I wouldn't know the features that set them apart from the rest of the classics. I suppose if I found it online, I'd do some basic checking, especially if it was obviously repainted.

    But, it is also easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment, and the best Craigslist deals may only last on the order of minutes, not days.

    Perhaps I was lucky that my old Colnago was really a Colnago, especially when there wasn't any internet fact checking when I bought it

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