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    Is this a real Paramount or Japanese version?

    any info please, I don't intend on keeping it but would love it if someone had some knowledgeable info I could use. thank you
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    And, its a real Paramount.

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    The '91 Waterford Paramounts had similar graphics to the OP's bike with "PDG" on the top tube, and the imported Series Paramounts had unicrown forks. So I'm not sure what it is. The chrome plated fork may be a replacement.

    My advice is for the OP to post the serial number which will tell us for sure. If it's the self-describing serial number format and is on the BB shell, it's likely a Waterford built Paramount.
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    ....or is it a Sears Paramount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
    ....or is it a Sears Paramount?
    I think it's a Sears poncho.

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    Holy Cow!!, is that a steep front end or what?!!.........and is that fork bent??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Holy Cow!!, is that a steep front end or what?!!.........and is that fork bent??
    I think it's an illusion caused by the camera angle.
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    Phishing for info...
    "Waiting for the crash"

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    Easiest way to tell is the serial number. But the lack of a "Series" decal is a good sign that it's a Waterford paramount. Don't think the fork is original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
    Phishing for info...

    ???

    What does that mean? Sounds like he's *asking* for info to me. "Phishing" implies using nefarious means to get info which will be used for ill purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    ???

    What does that mean? Sounds like he's *asking* for info to me. "Phishing" implies using nefarious means to get info which will be used for ill purposes.
    Then maybe I should not have used this spelling. I had no intention of implying foul.

    As I read the thread, they have no intention of keeping this bike so they are in the process of letting it go. They have no clue about what they have aside from the obvious or it's significance.

    They just want info so their add will be close to accurate.
    "Waiting for the crash"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Note, NOT all Paramounts are USA or Japan. There are quite a few that are Taiwan and even, yes, China. Any Japanese model would have a Panasonic serial number. Ten seconds on google and you can figure it out. Waterford Paramounts will have a Waterford serial number (another ten second job).

    Definite "frankenbike" here (non-Aero brake levers, Shimano bar end shifters, sketchy fork, etc.,)

    Easy enough to put Paramount decals on anything.
    True enough; that's why we need the serial number.
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    Definite Frankenbike... Campy Triomphe cranks, looks like an old Simplex Criterium rear derailleur and some kind of Campy brakes???

    When I see a fork that doesn't look correct on a frame, I have to ask why?

    Need a closeup of the lugs at the head tube... Look for ripples underneath the tubes.

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    I was thinking the same thing about the build verktyg. Pretty funky parts box.

    I wonder what is under the bandage on the DT?



    I am thinking Vic or tri brakes but the hoods look like DiaCompe ones to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
    Then maybe I should not have used this spelling. I had no intention of implying foul.

    As I read the thread, they have no intention of keeping this bike so they are in the process of letting it go. They have no clue about what they have aside from the obvious or it's significance.

    They just want info so their add will be close to accurate.

    FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing
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    Also seems like a weird place to mount a toe-clip strap. I find they work better on the pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    Gosh, the PC police are sending me to school !
    "Waiting for the crash"

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    Quote Originally Posted by D1andonlyDman View Post
    Also seems like a weird place to mount a toe-clip strap. I find they work better on the pedals.
    You haven't seen that before? Mechanics have been doing that for decades to keep the wheel from turing while it is on the stand. We never tossed old straps. They had many uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
    You haven't seen that before? Mechanics have been doing that for decades to keep the wheel from turing while it is on the stand. We never tossed old straps. They had many uses.

    Ben
    +1. Never toss old straps. I have one hanging from the tray stand at work with clips on it. That way I can check the work ticket as I go or jot notes on it when I get to talk to the customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
    As I read the thread, they have no intention of keeping this bike so they are in the process of letting it go. They have no clue about what they have aside from the obvious or it's significance.

    They just want info so their add will be close to accurate.
    Seems reasonable to me- this site is full of people asking for info and history on what they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Based on the identical threads on multiple forums, fishing it is.

    As to the bike itself, it is a mess and may not be a Paramount of any kind.
    Thanks wrk101, what I guessI ment.

    Hows the mountain country these days ? Do miss those upward roads ...sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
    Seems reasonable to me- this site is full of people asking for info and history on what they have.
    So true, myself included. IMO, it was for a different reason then we here.

    I appreciate your 2 cents
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    Hey everyone, thanks for the info. The rear der is a Campy SR 82 year. The down tube cover is my old sock just to keep the front brake adjuster from scratching the frame, when the fork turns. The brakes are Campy SR drilled, but Dia Compe replacement Hoods. The fork is original, Chrome, or silver, I don't know for sure, the Serial number is 5H0CHWK 92021. It has a 27.4 Dura Ace Seat post. The crank is Triomphe. The shifters are Dura Ace. The bar stem is Cinelli. The brake calipers are Super record. As soon as I find my camera will take better pics. The headset is Dura Ace. The pedals are Loop?? ( Campagnolo ).
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