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    Falcon San Remo: CL Pick Up

    I got this Falcon San Remo tonight from a CL seller, in Philly. Pretty cool bike. Would anyone know what year it was? The components are a mix of Suntour (Superbe brakes, RD) Dura Ace hubs & FD, SR bars & stem, Ideale 90 saddle and a Shimano 600 triple I had never seen before. The fork crown is really sweet as well. Pics are below. For the curious, it cost me $100. Sorry for the terrible pics. The weather here is pretty bad today.

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    Seriously nice bike and score.

    Would have loved to add one of those to the stable. What' s the build plan ?

    Interesting to watch this happen.
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    that is one fabulous buy, congratulations on this great find!

    just to make sure you understand, San Remo is not a model name but rather a series. it appears on numerous models of Falcon bicycles.

    the bicycle's fork crown and round blades are nominally track. Bob Jackson used this crown on some road models around this time as well.

    she has a couple threads showing on her adjustable cup, perhaps shell slightly underwidth. does it measure 66.5mm by chance?

    good job with the photos.

    date guesstimate of frame: 1973

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    I thought that fork looked track worthy. Been hanging with the Fixie crowd down here on the coast.
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    I have always had a bit of a thing for old Falcon road bicycles..,



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    ...I think, but could not swear, that your frame predates those components by a few years. I remember doing some research on the one I got and restored, and it seem s I recall that by the time Falcon segued into the Eddie Merckx line of bikes, it was prior to your components existence. The one I got was Campy, but a different model than yours, I believe.

    Regardless, a swell ride for a phenomenal price. My impression from my own research was that the San Remo designator was more or less the top of the line.

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    ...^^^I think maybe this is the one I ended up with, but apart from component dating, it seems to be hit or miss on the year.

    They did go back and forth on the seat stay arrangement, and the fork crowns on them are , at best, inconsistent.
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    very nice!

    is she wearing a nicky arregui pillar?

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    I had a Falcon San Remo some time back (designed by Ernie Clements!) with a similar fork crown to yours. As far as I could figure given limited into on the internets, it was from the 1960s. I also found that there wasn't a single "San Remo" model but instead varied ones at different price points (perhaps largely due to different levels of components?). I sold mine as a frame/fork to a BF-er who held on to it for about a month before flipping it. :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
    I had a Falcon San Remo some time back (designed by Ernie Clements!) with a similar fork crown to yours. As far as I could figure given limited into on the internets, it was from the 1960s. I also found that there wasn't a single "San Remo" model but instead varied ones at different price points (perhaps largely due to different levels of components?). I sold mine as a frame/fork to a BF-er who held on to it for about a month before flipping it. :|
    Thanks! As mentioed above, I was wondering if this was earlier (1960's) due to the decals or lack there of...The early 70's versions seem to have large "Falcon" top tube & seat tube decals. Mine has a small Falcon decal on the seat tube only. I am going to air up the tires and take it for a short spin later today. It seems to be what I think of as an engish "club" bike. Provisions for fenders, larger clearances but light enough to raced at an ametuer level on weekends.

    As far as future plans, I am not really sure on this. It is on the small side for me but it may be a perfect fit for my brother. He has been looking for something of this type so we'll see........

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    That's a great catch! The aluminum framed saddle alone is worth several times what you paid.

    I guess the frame is likely from the early 70's or so. What are the dropouts? What's the seat post size? As Neal said, the frames all have the San Remo decal and all look pretty much the same, often have the same wrapover stay treatment, same long pointed lugs, nicely thinned but sometimes the points are not centered very well; but the tubing and other frame components vary. I have one that superficially looks very similar; it has stamped Cyclo dropouts, others have Campy. Yours also has a different fork crown. Mine is made of straight gauge 531. It's my commuter, and the last two winters having been unkind to it, I just had the frame powder coated pretty much exactly the color of yours (and the powder coat cost more than your whole bike).

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    this is funny, i was going to go look at a Falcon "San Premo" as the guy in the add called it. My buddy needs a 60-62cm frame and i found a sweet looker in his size. cool bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhm View Post
    That's a great catch! The aluminum framed saddle alone is worth several times what you paid.

    I guess the frame is likely from the early 70's or so. What are the dropouts? What's the seat post size? As Neal said, the frames all have the San Remo decal and all look pretty much the same, often have the same wrapover stay treatment, same long pointed lugs, nicely thinned but sometimes the points are not centered very well; but the tubing and other frame components vary. I have one that superficially looks very similar; it has stamped Cyclo dropouts, others have Campy. Yours also has a different fork crown. Mine is made of straight gauge 531. It's my commuter, and the last two winters having been unkind to it, I just had the frame powder coated pretty much exactly the color of yours (and the powder coat cost more than your whole bike).
    Thanks! This has Campy dropouts and the seat post is 26.4 (French diameter tubing?)according to my digital calipers. The rear spacing is 125mm, approximately. This frame reminds me of the Raleigh Super Tourer I have. Not only the similar color but the clearance(s)this frame has, look to be pretty large. It looks to the naked eye that a 32 and fenders would fit easily. I wonder if this bike may have originally come center pull brakes?

    The Reynolds sticker, which is removing itself from the frame, states that the tubes are butted and the forks nd stays are reynolds 531 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juvela View Post
    very nice!

    is she wearing a nicky arregui pillar?
    Not sure. I have not yet removed it and I don't see an obvious marking on it.

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    I had an almost identical frame to yours, same green color, but with a simpler box fork crown, which I purchased for $45 at the 2001 Cirque du Cyclisme. Mine took a 27.2 seatpost, but was otherwise pretty much identical, down to not having fender eyelets on the fork dropouts but having eyelets on the rear Campy 1010s. I was told by some of the older English guys in attendance that mine dated from the mid to late 60s. Mine rode really well as a fixed-gear (no. 84 on the fixed gear gallery). If it had been 2cm bigger I would probably still have it ...

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    I aired up the tires, hit is with some chain lube and adjusted the saddle & bars. This bike has a really nice ride (even with the beat, old tires), It was only a short neighborhood ride but the bike fit well and performed with no issues. It is always amazing to mee that bike that is 40 years old, springs right back to life with so little attention. I also took some better pictures in natural light.

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    The saddle is surprisingly comfortable and what really interesting is that the saddle top is riveted to a frame, that bolts to the rest of the saddle frame. So in essence the saddle top is removable/replaceable using a small wrench or two.

    Does anyone know anything about the crankset? I could not find it doing a quick interweb search.

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    Beautiful bike! Not nearly enough Falcons on BF yet.

    That crank set is on Velobase: 600
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    Outstanding ! Lucky owner you are.

    I want to reach into the picture and slowly, carefully remove that afa pump umbrella from that lovely decal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
    Not sure. I have not yet removed it and I don't see an obvious marking on it.
    thank you for the response. was asking about frogbutter's handsome machine. the cycle's pillar has the shape of one of the zeus models. looks like it is wearing a sakae ringyo apex chainset. is that correct frogbutter?

    thank you for posting the additional photos of your bike. i really like it and thank you for sharing it with the forum!

    btw - with respect to zeus and saddles: they made clamp parts to fit the ideale "I" frame saddles to campag record and zeus gran sport type pillars.

    Zeus catalog # 101 (1970)

    interesting wrinkle: the machine's sakae ringyo handlebar stem is wearing a shim where it enters the steerer. this means it is likely of .833 dimension. you will probably find a marking for this if you should have occasion to remove it. falcon gave the bike a long steerer. its zeus gran sport hs has a stack height of 38mm yet the assembler had to fit an extra washer.

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    Awesome bike. Great patina.

    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    That crank set is on Velobase: 600

    That does seem to be the double version, OPs looks like a triple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
    The saddle is surprisingly comfortable and what really interesting is that the saddle top is riveted to a frame, that bolts to the rest of the saddle frame. So in essence the saddle top is removable/replaceable using a small wrench or two.
    Your saddle is the rare and desirable Rebour version of the Ideale 90, treated and softened and with his name carved into it. Daniel Rebour also did numerous bike-related illustrations and you've probably seen them. I had a 90 but could never get it to be comfortable, so enjoy yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmeb View Post
    That does seem to be the double version, OPs looks like a triple.
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    Outstanding haul!
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