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    Sutherland's Handbook for Bicycle Mechanics

    I finally picked up my first Sutherland's and I go lucky, its got a treasure trove of technical information on Suntour in it. Perfect for my C'dale ST800s.

    My question is how much overlap is there between editions? Someone mentioned that a lot of stuff gets gleaned out edition to edition. Do I really need a bookshelf of Sutherland manuals? Doesn't that get kind of frustrating to acquire because of the cost?

    I have the Zinn book and the Park blue book, but instantly I can see specific technical information in the Sutherland's that is more specific. Information on the the distance between Suntour freewheels and cassettes. Perfect if I want to build my own custom cassettes to work with different C&V components, but on a cassette free hub. Its just a matter of the right cog spacers, then.

    I have a lot more stuff to acquire that's more fun, so I don't want to think I want to spend my bicycle allowance to find the other six editions, still.

    Thoughts?

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    My first move when I wanted a copy was to view the then online version of edition #7 , I think it was. Turned out there wasn't a whole lot in it specific to my needs for early 70's bikes. So I searched out and bought a hard copy of the 2nd edition I think it is. 1974 or so. It has all the info on the parts I like to mess with. And there's nothing like having an actual copy. Hard to work on a bike looking at a computer screen.

    Oops edit: Mine is a 2nd edition.
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    It depends on what bikes you have or where your interest lies. The 4th edition (1985) covers my bikes and interests, but I have nothing newer than 1980s bikes. If you have a mix of more modern and vintage bikes, the 6th edition (1995) includes stuff like threadless headsets, clipless ledals, and suspension forks while retaining much of what is in the 4th edition (it does drop the Sturmey-Archer and coaster brake rebuild sections, for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    It depends on what bikes you have or where your interest lies. The 4th edition (1985) covers my bikes and interests, but I have nothing newer than 1980s bikes. If you have a mix of more modern and vintage bikes, the 6th edition (1995) includes stuff like threadless headsets, clipless ledals, and suspension forks while retaining much of what is in the 4th edition (it does drop the Sturmey-Archer and coaster brake rebuild sections, for example).
    Yes, the 4th edition is the one I want. I have looked for some time. I was told someone had made it available on line a couple years ago. I wish Sutherlands would make the earlier copies available. I would be happy to compensate them.

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    I have Sutherland's 4th on my hard drive as a pdf file. I'd send it to you if I knew how. It's 319 pages.

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    ...The 4th and 5th have a similar layout and some of the same information, the 6th is almost completely different, and a lot of space is wasted on spoke charts. (which are now largely outmoded by online spoke calculator programs.) The 7th, which i think you can still buy in print, looks interesting and filled with information. Unfortunately, it deals with a time period when there has been an explosion of standards, which still continues, so it often turns out to be faster and more useful to do a Google search for the makers data sheets for a particular product.

    I don't recall if I've ever had one earlier than the 4th, but IIRC, they were skinnier. I too find I use the 4th the most often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertdweller View Post
    Yes, the 4th edition is the one I want. I have looked for some time. I was told someone had made it available on line a couple years ago. I wish Sutherlands would make the earlier copies available. I would be happy to compensate them.
    ...it's been online as a pdf at various places, and in fact I once posted a link here to at least one of them. This earned me nothing but approbation, and at least a couple of people whom I have never met called me a thief and a lowlife. I don't mind when someone I know does that, but they have at least some rational basis.

    Were I you, I'd do some more sophisticated searches, using several different search engines. I believe that Sutherland's doesn't really have any plans for republication of the information, because it's of limited audience, but I honestly don't understand why they haven't the sophistication to sell an online pdf, given the astonishing prices charged for the old print versions by used booksellers.
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    I have a paper Sutherland's, a Barnett and a 3 speed manual that I would be tempted to part with.

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    My new one is the Green one, I think the 5th edition. I guess I'll need to at least get the 4th as well but I work on modern bikes with Campy and external BBs and stuff. My 29er has hydraulic brakes. I think Sutherland's manuals are going to take away from getting buying new bikes and bits for awhile. That sucks. Every new edition of a Professional Shop manual should cover EVERYTHING that a professional shop might encounter.

    What does a newly opened shop do when someone comes in with a Sturmey Archer hub or old Suntour components, or vintage Campy? Say "sorry our Sutherland's doesn't cover that. Try a better shop" I'm sure that works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
    ...it's been online as a pdf at various places, and in fact I once posted a link here to at least one of them. This earned me nothing but approbation, and at least a couple of people whom I have never met called me a thief and a lowlife. I don't mind when someone I know does that, but they have at least some rational basis.

    Were I you, I'd do some more sophisticated searches, using several different search engines. I believe that Sutherland's doesn't really have any plans for republication of the information, because it's of limited audience, but I honestly don't understand why they haven't the sophistication to sell an online pdf, given the astonishing prices charged for the old print versions by used booksellers.
    Thanks for the info. All my searches have revealed are asking prices that are more than some good frames I have purchased. If Sutherlands made them available I would buy 3 editions and if the were reasonable 5. Covering mine and my friends interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbke View Post

    What does a newly opened shop do when someone comes in with a Sturmey Archer hub or old Suntour components, or vintage Campy? Say "sorry our Sutherland's doesn't cover that. Try a better shop" I'm sure that works well.
    ...on the SA's here, they tell the people to go to the bike co-op and ask the old guy.
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    I downloaded my bike books from icelord.net. It's been gone for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiangshi View Post
    I have a paper Sutherland's, a Barnett and a 3 speed manual that I would be tempted to part with.
    For those that asked.



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    I just downloaded the 6th edition complete as a pdf. It was a pretty effortless search.

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