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Why C&V bikes are better than carbon fiber

Old 08-19-15, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnbke
Since you are mudslinging, I'll bring something more accurate to the conversation. Actually I found my replies to be reasonable and conciliatory, and I was trying to explain to you where your indictments and preconceived notions were coming up short. Your replies were insulting and abusive, you actually didn't read anything that was sent to you as was clear from your replies which were disconnected from any reasonable attempt to establish a dialog. I answered your questions repeatedly and you seemingly didn't care to acknowledge that. I took the whole thing as just an attempt to bait on your part. At which point you PMd me in a tantrum and said you were done with the communication.

For the record.
For the record, you seem obsessed with putting others down for not being impressed by your bicycle. How big is the chip on your shoulder? What if I told you aluminum corrodes, the same way steel rusts.
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Originally Posted by mtnbke
I'd have bought those if I'd knew about them. Everyone talked about the Strider but it was just cheap chinese crap with plastic tires. We tried a Kettler but it was heavy and I wasn't impressed. We bought a Specialized Hotwalk and it was very heavy and seemed very cheaply made.

I've come to understand there are basically two classes of balance bikes - there are ones built like toys for toddlers, and ones built like bikes for preschoolers. Within each there is a range of quality. The Strider is probably the best of the smaller ones. But a lot of the features that make it good for a baby make it worse for a preschooler - like air tires (an upgrade option) would add 2 lb, and a set of hand brakes would add 1 lb, hard for a baby to lift, and don't matter for a baby who's not actually gliding while sitting on the seat or going off curbs or trying tricks... but make it a much better bike for a 3-4yo. I think we'll start with a Strider at 18mo and then see how he's doing at 2.5 or 3, whether we want to upgrade or go to pedals.

My favorite one so far is Little Big Bike but no idea if it's actually good, have seen few independent reviews from people who compare it to other premium bikes. And it's 12 lb and too big for a toddler even in low configuration, while a Strider is 7 lb and fits.
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Originally Posted by mtnbke
For me the carbon fiber thing makes no sense. I want my bikes to last a lifetime. I don't want a favorite bike to rust out being exposed to moisture and rain, or salt on the roads when touring. I don't want a bike to fail because its fragile like with carbon fiber. For me aluminum is a great choice.
Aluminium won't last a lifetime... My aluminium city bike's headtube is starting to tear after only 6 years, actually, it's been going on for about 2 years now... and it's not a cheap bike at all, it's a Venturelli which costed about €800...

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Originally Posted by gugie
Damn, I clicked. Then nearly threw up.
+1 that is sad/ridiculous/silly I don't have the right words to describe
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
Need stuff. Merckx once suggested everyone ride the same bike, and then see who showed up for Stage 2.
They are on the same bike.

The differences are more directly related to total distance and road conditions. Modern training, doping and race radio also probably have an effect.

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Lets not make this into another aluminum vs steel thread. We have plenty of those already.

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Originally Posted by lord_athlon
For the record, you seem obsessed with putting others down for not being impressed by your bicycle. How big is the chip on your shoulder? What if I told you aluminum corrodes, the same way steel rusts.
The crazy thing is the guy weighs 400 lbs and thinks that because steel bikes are too flexy for him, they're a bad choice for everyone. Not even an alum cannondale is stiffer or more fatiguing than his fortress of solipsism.
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Dignifying any of this silliness with an actual response just encourages more of the same.


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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
I've come to understand there are basically two classes of balance bikes - there are ones built like toys for toddlers, and ones built like bikes for preschoolers. Within each there is a range of quality. The Strider is probably the best of the smaller ones. But a lot of the features that make it good for a baby make it worse for a preschooler - like air tires (an upgrade option) would add 2 lb, and a set of hand brakes would add 1 lb, hard for a baby to lift, and don't matter for a baby who's not actually gliding while sitting on the seat or going off curbs or trying tricks... but make it a much better bike for a 3-4yo. I think we'll start with a Strider at 18mo and then see how he's doing at 2.5 or 3, whether we want to upgrade or go to pedals.

My favorite one so far is Little Big Bike but no idea if it's actually good, have seen few independent reviews from people who compare it to other premium bikes. And it's 12 lb and too big for a toddler even in low configuration, while a Strider is 7 lb and fits.
Ok OT (but less so than most in this thread)

I know these strider/walking bikes are the rage..... but watching the twins across the street it just doesn't seem to be a huge advantage in learning.

I started my son on a 16 inch wheel, with training wheels instead of a tricyle. just a simple cheapo target bike.....for the need the quality was good enough. At 3 1/2 he brought me a wrench and insisted I take the training wheels off. that was that.

He still likes bikes, even if is more fixie than C&V (but the colleges he is looking at are all hilly so that may change in a year)

Beyond that $1800 or so on kids bike like this is ...... again word fail , but obscene comes to mind
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Originally Posted by gugie
I think this is an instance of The Tragedy of the Commons. This is a free resource, at some point a pother of grobians* erupts.

I'm not sure how this forum is moderated, I'm sure there are things that will get you immediately censored. Is there anything we can do for those that don't cross that line, but push against it? In the case of one poster, I PM'ed my reply, as the tone and direction was detracting from the thread. It was a "let's take this outside" reply. I received multiple, lengthy PM's that were variations on "mine is bigger than yours" arguements. At least no one else had to deal with it.

*perusing a dictionary in my youth, I found these two archaic words, and try to use them together whenever possible.
Yes, you can report the offending post by clicking on the little triangle on the bottom left of the post.
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I just know they're better for me.

I like to work on my own bike and I enjoy the tolerances, or relative lack thereof on C&V bikes which make them more friendly to curious tinkering. Modern stuff in general is not as serviceable to the shade tree enthusiast and some stuff either works, or you dispose of it and replace it when it doesn't. Compatibility is also a bit of a nightmare between standards these days, no thanks. New stuff looks like plastic... oh wait... it is.

I think C&V looks far better, hands down, and since I don't live my life by graphs and metrics alone, this means a ton.

I very much enjoy the concept of conservation. Taking a rusty, oxidized bike and cleaning it up for another 40+ years of use is something that a lay person can't do with carbon fiber. Aluminum is okay I suppose, but I don't see many aluminum bikes that spark my interest. They're also very stiff, which I enjoy for a sprint here or a hill climb there, but I wouldn't want to live with them.

The people. I find the people behind C&V to be the greatest perk. The C&V crowd is much more into appreciation and enjoyment vs. squabbling over who has the stiffest, the lightest, the most watts... ugh.

Lastly, the ladies love C&V bikes. A dapper gentleman on an old steel frame is a much more attractive mark for conversation than any man whose guide is his wallet and a gram scale.
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I'd appreciate it if you guys cool it down and keep the insults out of here.
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