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Old 01-14-16, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
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No room for clinchers?
I'm sure we could also come up with several more cases but it is evident that the frame was not designed for the Dura-Ace SP but something with a longer reach.
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My point is that the early Dura Ace side pulls have plenty of room for clinchers.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
My point is that the early Dura Ace side pulls have plenty of room for clinchers.
They do have room, but it's arguable to say "plenty of room" when the pads have to set at maximum reach. Perhaps I should have stated that the centre-pull were "more compatible" with clinchers.
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I can't argue with that kind of logic.
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Originally Posted by Taxi Rob
Hey do you have the flatted shaft washer dimensions or did you already put it back together? I guess I can figure it out. I'm looking into a quote to make a batch from a fastener company. Gotta love internets.
I have indeed put it back together again, with the washer in the correct position this time. But should the BF C&V R&D department require so, I shall take it apart again.
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I have indeed put it back together again, with the washer in the correct position this time. But should the BF C&V R&D department require so, I shall take it apart again.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
They do have room, but it's arguable to say "plenty of room" when the pads have to set at maximum reach. Perhaps I should have stated that the centre-pull were "more compatible" with clinchers.
I've found them agreeable for use with CX and hybrid tires up to 1.5". Especially with the QR link plate design or QR brake levers.
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I would never have thought a question concerning Tourney brakes would consume 3 pages. I guess that I was wrong again. And BTW, I love this forum.
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Originally Posted by Taxi Rob
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So they say.

Anyway, I have taken my not-so-trusty-and-ever-so-rusty analogue callipers and measured the bolt. The diameter is 5.5 mm, and between the flats it's 4.5 mm. The inside measurement of the washer is about .2 mm bigger on both.

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Before you put away those calipers, would you mind measuring the bolt head of the pivot bolts? I can't remove mine, and haven't been able to find a socket or flat wrench that fits well. Anyone have any tricks? Do you need to grind down a socket to make it thinner? Any help appreciated. Mine are the Dura Ace branded center pulls, btw.

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Anyway, I have taken my not-so-trusty-and-ever-so-rusty analogue callipers and measured the bolt. The diameter is 5.5 mm, and between the flats it's 4.5 mm. The inside measurement of the washer is about .2 mm bigger on both.

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I'm gonna buy a bag of 25 of those fixing bolts for $11 shipped, they always get lost anyway. Still haven't looked into reproducing the washers, just got the specs today from our industrial spy...
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Originally Posted by JT1973
Before you put away those calipers, would you mind measuring the bolt head of the pivot bolts? I can't remove mine, and haven't been able to find a socket or flat wrench that fits well. Anyone have any tricks? Do you need to grind down a socket to make it thinner? Any help appreciated. Mine are the Dura Ace branded center pulls, btw.
They are 11 and a bit millimetres. My 12 mm wrench fits fine.

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@non-fixie: many thanks. The washer or plastic bushing might be getting in the way of sockets and wrench on mine but I'll try again with a 12. Also dig the commander Cody signature line.
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@non-fixie: many thanks. The washer or plastic bushing might be getting in the way of sockets and wrench on mine but I'll try again with a 12. Also dig the commander Cody signature line.
You're welcome. And thanks! Sig line was inspired by another thread. This forum is keeping me busy!
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
With all due respect, I'm not convinced this is the case. My current feeling is that these brakes were manufactured concurrently with the side-pulls, as a non-catalogued option for manufacturers wishing to produce a Dura-Ace equipped, clincher wheeled model at a lower price point. ... The Dura-Ace centre-pull does not appear in any of my Shimano literature, which goes back to 1972. This infers the centre-pull is either pre-1972 and ceased production before any other Dura-Ace components went into production or that they ran concurrently but were uncatalogued. Given that they are often seen with other Dura-Ace components, the latter seems more likely. ...
Hi T-Mar & Grand Bois, this one's for you...
This ad appeared on page 10 of the 1972 ABLA National Championships souvenir program.
The derailleurs are "Crane," the front derailleur is "Titlist" and the hubs and freewheels have no listed model designation.
The crank is a "Dura-Ace" (with chain guard!) and the brakes are the "Dura-Ace" center-pulls minus the safety levers.
My opinion is that Shimano had not yet formulated "groups" as we know them today. They were finding their way in a foreign market.
Personal recollection - I saw/owned the Dura-Ace center-pulls quite a while prior to seeing anything labeled "Tourney."
The main point is that this is an official Shimano American Corporation ad from prior to August 1972 (the date of the program).
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I just received a pair of Tourney calipers and don't need them. Anyone want them? Or am I crazy for not using them?
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Originally Posted by noglider
(...) don't need them.
What kind of excuse is that?
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I just received a pair of Tourney calipers and don't need them. Anyone want them? Or am I crazy for not using them?
I may have a frame for those - like I need another project now.
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Originally Posted by dweenk
I may have a frame for those - like I need another project now.
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