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I saw Costello and the Impostors open for Steely Dan a few months ago and they were utter and total crap. Embarrassingly bad. I honestly felt sorry for them.
I will never understand the Eric Clapton thing. Never.
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I like pre-90s Costello very much, but greatest of his generation? That's a bold statement...and I don't think he was the best song writer on his first label (Joe Jackson). I definitely think he's behind Paul Weller, Robyn Hitchcock and Joe Strummer.
I saw Costello and the Impostors open for Steely Dan a few months ago and they were utter and total crap. Embarrassingly bad. I honestly felt sorry for them.
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I saw Costello and the Impostors open for Steely Dan a few months ago and they were utter and total crap. Embarrassingly bad. I honestly felt sorry for them.
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My fave Elvis C albums, in order:
Get Happy
Imperial Bedroom
This Year's Model
Trust
Armed Forces
Brutal Youth (a really great later record)
All this Useless Beauty
My Aim is True
There are good songs on most of his other records, but these stand out.
Get Happy
Imperial Bedroom
This Year's Model
Trust
Armed Forces
Brutal Youth (a really great later record)
All this Useless Beauty
My Aim is True
There are good songs on most of his other records, but these stand out.
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I like pre-90s Costello very much, but greatest of his generation? That's a bold statement...and I don't think he was the best song writer on his first label (Joe Jackson). I definitely think he's behind Paul Weller, Robyn Hitchcock and Joe Strummer.
I saw Costello and the Impostors open for Steely Dan a few months ago and they were utter and total crap. Embarrassingly bad. I honestly felt sorry for them.
I will never understand the Eric Clapton thing. Never.
I saw Costello and the Impostors open for Steely Dan a few months ago and they were utter and total crap. Embarrassingly bad. I honestly felt sorry for them.
I will never understand the Eric Clapton thing. Never.
The Jam= Pre-Who's Next Cover band.
You don't like guitar solo's or people who are proficient on their instruments. Hence your love of Talking Heads.......
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and the Sex Pistols were a much more important band than The Clash ever were. Then & now. There is not one Clash record that even comes close to Nevermind The Bollocks.....
10-29-15, 02:08 PM
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I like talented musicians if and when they make accessible, quality pop...or blues that doesn't sound like a pasty white, shallow, dullard doing a half assed Robert Johnson tribute with moronic lyrics.
Mark Knopfker is a great example of a talented Blues guy who wrote quality, well written material.
I love never mind the bollocks - but that comment is beneath you. It's just British ramones where the clash released more than one album and have actual growth and different styles.
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The Jam are the sweet spot of great 60s pop meeting great 70s ethos pop. With fantastic song writing. Daltrey is a doofus and the who are extremely inconsistent.
I like talented musicians if and when they make accessible, quality pop...or blues that doesn't sound like a pasty white, shallow, dullard doing a half assed Robert Johnson tribute with moronic lyrics.
Mark Knopfker is a great example of a talented Blues guy who wrote quality, well written material.
I like talented musicians if and when they make accessible, quality pop...or blues that doesn't sound like a pasty white, shallow, dullard doing a half assed Robert Johnson tribute with moronic lyrics.
Mark Knopfker is a great example of a talented Blues guy who wrote quality, well written material.
10-29-15, 02:12 PM
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I never understood the appeal of Brooks saddles (or Ideale etc).
Uncomfortable.
Break in period.
Very Heavy.
Expensive.
And, then I learned from the OP they cause CANCER.
Lots of great music in this thread (and some utter s h i t e)
Best live album IMO:
I'm in this video...
Now let's kick it old skool
And a little Hardcore
Uncomfortable.
Break in period.
Very Heavy.
Expensive.
And, then I learned from the OP they cause CANCER.
Lots of great music in this thread (and some utter s h i t e)
Best live album IMO:
I'm in this video...
Now let's kick it old skool
And a little Hardcore
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10-29-15, 02:21 PM
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Opinions, here on BF C&V? No way, Garth.
Daltrey may be a doofus, but not many strangers tell him that and walk away not having fielded a punch or two.
He has been a very successful doofus, from Shakepearean theatre to his Who days to movies.
The hammer and the nail in The Who has always been Townsend, whom I consider a better songwriter than any Elvis.
Add in stage plays, screenplays, scores, (Tommy, Quadrophenia, McVicar, and others), and you have a huge body of work.
This does not include his time as an editor at Doubleday, his contributions as a solo artist and songwriter, just a huge talent and brain.
One tight, hard band that played what he wanted, how he wanted it, songs for the ages. Tons of charity work, as well.
His personality, I'm sure, will never see him knighted; he may have that in common with Costello.
He was as good a chronicler of the postwar children of England as there's been, in the medium that came of age with them.
Tommy was about postwar England, Quadrophenia about the children of the veterans. (The bellboy was one of Sting's first movie roles.)
If you get a chance to see McVicar, another good movie from the Who, songs you'll rarely consider of their "standards."
Daltrey may be a doofus, but not many strangers tell him that and walk away not having fielded a punch or two.
He has been a very successful doofus, from Shakepearean theatre to his Who days to movies.
The hammer and the nail in The Who has always been Townsend, whom I consider a better songwriter than any Elvis.
Add in stage plays, screenplays, scores, (Tommy, Quadrophenia, McVicar, and others), and you have a huge body of work.
This does not include his time as an editor at Doubleday, his contributions as a solo artist and songwriter, just a huge talent and brain.
One tight, hard band that played what he wanted, how he wanted it, songs for the ages. Tons of charity work, as well.
His personality, I'm sure, will never see him knighted; he may have that in common with Costello.
He was as good a chronicler of the postwar children of England as there's been, in the medium that came of age with them.
Tommy was about postwar England, Quadrophenia about the children of the veterans. (The bellboy was one of Sting's first movie roles.)
If you get a chance to see McVicar, another good movie from the Who, songs you'll rarely consider of their "standards."
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10-29-15, 02:23 PM
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Opinions, here on BF C&V? No way, Garth.
Daltrey may have been a doofus, but has been a very successful one, from Shakepearean theatre to his Who days to movies like McVicar.
The real glue, in fact, the hammer and the nail, in The Who is, IMO, Townsend, whom I consider a better songwriter than any Elvis.
Add in stage pays, screenplays, scores, (Tommy, Quadrophenia, McVicar, and others), and you have a huge body of work.
This does not include his time as an editor at Doubleday, his contributions as a solo artist and songwriter, just a huge talent and brain.
One tight, hard band that played what he wanted, how he wanted it, and one for the ages. Tons of charity work, as well.
His personality, I'm sure, will never see him knighted; he may have that in common with Costello.
Daltrey may have been a doofus, but has been a very successful one, from Shakepearean theatre to his Who days to movies like McVicar.
The real glue, in fact, the hammer and the nail, in The Who is, IMO, Townsend, whom I consider a better songwriter than any Elvis.
Add in stage pays, screenplays, scores, (Tommy, Quadrophenia, McVicar, and others), and you have a huge body of work.
This does not include his time as an editor at Doubleday, his contributions as a solo artist and songwriter, just a huge talent and brain.
One tight, hard band that played what he wanted, how he wanted it, and one for the ages. Tons of charity work, as well.
His personality, I'm sure, will never see him knighted; he may have that in common with Costello.
Its ts all taste.
10-29-15, 02:33 PM
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FWIW, I rank songwriters, loosely, today:
Cole Porter
John Hiatt
Pete Townsend
Towns Van Zandt
Aaron Copeland
Richard Thompson
Bob Dylan (though I don't like his music)
Woody Guthrie
Bruce Springsteen
Reginald Dwight
Paul McCartney
Diane Warren
Elvis Costello
John Mellencamp
Not all of them had home runs every time at bat, but some of their stuff is A-list and always will be, as far as storytelling, depicting a time, place, and people. Not all of them will ever be popular or rich. There are likely African-American artists I've never heard enough of to add to my list, because they simply did not have the opportunity to get published and recorded and produced and sold.
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10-29-15, 02:43 PM
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OMG, seriously? The Sex Pistols were a boy band formed to promote a clothing store.
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That, I'd agree with. Townsend, early on, told the band to "do what I say and we will all be rich." It took a while for that to sink in, but when it did, they produced songs our kids will listen to, even if we don't make them. Hell, all they have to do is watch CSI... Townsend once said that "sometimes there are mistakes in my guitar playing. It's adequate for the task, so I leave them in." Very interesting guy. I think when all is said and done, The Who will be The Bargain.
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Never mind the bollocks is a GREAT album - as good as what the clash did, but the clash have 3 great albums and several good ones. Taken as a whole they also went in more interesting directions.
Plus if fender is going to slam style council, I'll retort by reminding him about PiL.
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That, I'd agree with. Townsend, early on, told the band to "do what I say and we will all be rich." It took a while for that to sink in, but when it did, they produced songs our kids will listen to, even if we don't make them. Hell, all they have to do is watch CSI... Townsend once said that "sometimes there are mistakes in my guitar playing. It's adequate for the task, so I leave them in." Very interesting guy. I think when all is said and done, The Who will be The Bargain.
FWIW, I rank songwriters, loosely, today:
Cole Porter
John Hiatt
Pete Townsend
Towns Van Zandt
Aaron Copeland
Richard Thompson
Bob Dylan (though I don't like his music)
Woody Guthrie
Bruce Springsteen
Reginald Dwight
Paul McCartney
Diane Warren
Elvis Costello
John Mellencamp
Not all of them had home runs every time at bat, but some of their stuff is A-list and always will be, as far as storytelling, depicting a time, place, and people. Not all of them will ever be popular or rich. There are likely African-American artists I've never heard enough of to add to my list, because they simply did not have the opportunity to get published and recorded and produced and sold.
FWIW, I rank songwriters, loosely, today:
Cole Porter
John Hiatt
Pete Townsend
Towns Van Zandt
Aaron Copeland
Richard Thompson
Bob Dylan (though I don't like his music)
Woody Guthrie
Bruce Springsteen
Reginald Dwight
Paul McCartney
Diane Warren
Elvis Costello
John Mellencamp
Not all of them had home runs every time at bat, but some of their stuff is A-list and always will be, as far as storytelling, depicting a time, place, and people. Not all of them will ever be popular or rich. There are likely African-American artists I've never heard enough of to add to my list, because they simply did not have the opportunity to get published and recorded and produced and sold.
David Byrne
Dylan
Zevon
Ray Davies
Hank Williams
chuck berry
lennon/McCartney
Lou Reed
frank black
john lynel
Robyn hitchcock
neil diamond
becker/fagan
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"The Nightfly" is pretty strong though.John Linnell from TMBG? What an underrated band that keeps delivering with enthusiasm, long after other groups petered out. I do find myself liking Linnell's songs more than Flansburgh's.
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Originally Posted by konaaron snake
lou reed, frank black
i'll add my favorite, bill callahan. he's to indie folk as camus is to literature.
i'll also add: jana hunter, kurt wagner (again), nick drake, ian curtis, pj harvey, will oldham, david bowie, beck, isaac brock, stephen malkmus, gram parsons, jim o'rourke, tom waits, leonard cohen, and neil young.
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edit: moved tweedy up to barlow level and added malkmus.
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I like how you listed Mac/Len and Becker/Fagen together. "The Nightfly" is pretty strong though.
John Linnell from TMBG? What an underrated band that keeps delivering with enthusiasm, long after other groups petered out. I do find myself liking Linnell's songs more than Flansburgh's.
"The Nightfly" is pretty strong though.John Linnell from TMBG? What an underrated band that keeps delivering with enthusiasm, long after other groups petered out. I do find myself liking Linnell's songs more than Flansburgh's.
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