jimmuller 

I had a nice Cinelli reference URL but it is no longer functional. Please tell me about the shapes of the various bar model (Giro d'Italia, Campione del Mondo, model 63, 64, 66, whatever), and if it's not too much trouble when the various engravings changed. And the stem models?

Yes, I know they used used 26.4mm for a while then went to 26.0. Are there particular models or years to be avoided because they are prone to failure?

Of course I'm looking for a traditional road bar, width 38-40cm, not too aggressive drops though I don't ride the drops very much anyway.
Thanks!

thumpism 

I have the "standard" drop Mod. 64 in a 42 width. It's the old run with the 26.4 diameter. Mod. 66 is a deeper drop with the same curve. I do not know when they changed to 26.0 diameter. Others will chime in with more detail, I'm sure.

SloButWide 

1998, according to Sheldon's cheatsheet.


Flickr had this as a reference:

verktyg 

Jim, I remember a great website that had a great timeline on Cinelli bars and stems. I think that it may have been 43bikes.com-website??? which is no longer up.

This link shows a 1983 Cinelli catalog page with their 1a. 2a and 2r stems plus some of their bars:

https://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/cinelli/cinelli-4.jpg

The Cinelli XA model stem is the one that I've heard had problems. Link to a BF thread:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...l#post10030466


Robert Broderick posted this info on Cinelli bars back in 2009:

-----> pre 1979 Cino Cinelli era (...i.e. crested logo - NOT flying "C")

model 63 - sizes: 38 / 40
model 64 - sizes: 38 / 40
model 65 - sizes: 38 / 40
model 66 - sizes: 38 / 40 / 42
model 67 - sizes: 38

-----> post 1978 A.L. Columbo / Columbus era (...i.e. flying "C" logo through the mid 1980's - NOT the earlier crested logo)

model 63 - Campione del Mondo - sizes: 38 / 39 / 40
model 64 - Giro d'Italia - sizes: 38 / 39 / 40
model 65 - Criterium - sizes: 38 / 39 / 40
model 66 - Campione del Mondo - sizes: 38 / 39 / 40 / 42
model 67 - Pista - sizes: 39

All of the above data points were culled directly from original Cinelli
catalog and/or brochure publications. It is perhaps worthy to note that the
appearance of the interim width 39 cm handlebars did not occur until after
Columbus acquired Cinelli. Moreover, only the model 66 version of the
Campione del Mondo was made available prior to the mid 1980's in the larger
42 cm sizing (...I happen to have a pre 1979 crested logo 66 / 42 designated
for use on my 1977 Peugeot PY-10/CP Thevenet TdF replica).

And finally,Cinelli uses the traditional C-t-C measurement standard for all of their
handlebars as opposed to the O-t-O methodology employed by 3ttt - which
means that one need take care whenever comparing widths stipulated by those
two respective manufacturers.

The difference between the model 63 and 66 handlebars which are both given the
Campione del Mondo "name" designation would be the size of the drop where
the model 66 is 10 cm deeper than its model 63 counterpart.

Robert Broderick"


I think that these pictures came from an old Ron Kitching catalog - bad scan:




Early Cinelli bars had 26.4mm center sections. Later they switched to the somewhat industry standard 26mm. Same with the stems.

Stems were available with 22.2mm British and Italian diameter quills and in the 22.0mm metric diameter for French, Spanish and some Swiss bikes.

HTH...

verktyg

Chas.

rootboy 

more info can be dug up here too…

Cinelli Only

Spaghetti Legs 

I happen to have a set each of the Campione and Giro D'Italia which are currently in a contest to be included in my current build. I also have one of each of these on current riders. I like both a lot, but the Giro appeals to me a little more because of a shallower drop. I like to ride in the drops a fair amount and these are more comfortable to my old back and neck.I took some quick pics with my phone but having all kinds of trouble today getting them onto the internet.

The Giros are Mod 64 with the number after the hyphen being the center to center width. Campione del Mondo is Mod 66. Mod 65 is the Criterium. The 64 has a shallower and a little flatter drop. I would appreciate as well any info on how, other than an actual measurement, to tell a 26.4 set from a 26.0. Both my current bars were advertised as 26.0 but are actually 26.4, so I gave up and bought a 26.4 stem!

Finally was able to get some of the pics up - The shinier set without all the tape marks is the Giro D'Italia. I thought the cable groove on the Campione would be a good marker for a 26.0 clamps size but apparently not.

SloButWide 

Cinelli Timeline - Company history and minutiae.

Cinelli Pron - lol

crank_addict

You got your oyster, pearls and everything else

The Cinelli Oyster stem is funky neat but doesn't take kindly to a mis-matched fit bar. The Nitto Pearl keeps it a clean and simple mount.

Something for the touring set:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vvIAAO...Xf/s-l1600.jpg

due ruote 

Road Drop Bar Geometry : La Rueda Tropical

Gives some specific drop and reach numbers for Cinelli bars, and others.

RobbieTunes

I use Cinelli and keep it simple.
64's are shallower drop, with a nice level bar end for moving around on the drops.
66's drop more, and because of that, are not quite as inviting for brifters, if you go that way.
65's are like track bars, so I don't have any or use them.

All of mine have been 26.4 and I simply buy a stem that is short enough.
I don't care what stem I'm using, as far as model, if it fits.
I don't care about grooves, single, double, or none. Simply don't.
Logo's, stamps, engraving, all superfluous, IMO.

Get a stem that fits and a bar that fits and put them on the bike.
Mount the components you want on them, wrap as you see fit.
Ride.

I don't use the other Cinelli stuff, would love to have a modern Cinelli Neo stem/bar, but I ride a shorter stem than Neo offers.
I've had a RAM 2 bar, didn't really like it.

rootboy 

The older bar's stampings. Functionally superfluous. And absolutely beautiful.

miamijim

Old logos bars with the wreath/creast are more expensive than non-wreath/crest bars
Polished bars are more expensive than satin bars
26.4 bars and stems are more expensive than 26.0 bars and stems
Old logo 'milano' stems are more expensive than non-Milano stems

1R stem wedges crack and if over tightened damage bars
XA stems crack

Somewhere around '92 they switched to 26.0 diameter parts.

When I liquidated my stems and bar all off the 26.4 pieces went very, very quickly for roughly 25% more than non-26.4 pieces.

OldsCOOL

This is what I have on that '77 Colnago Super but is the Campione del Mondo. Absolutely gorgeous.

jimmuller 

Yes they are gorgeous. My Masi has a Campione del Mondo with those logos. I don't know which model but I suspect 66. I was fortunate to find it while building the bike and thought it looked right but I didn't know what the models were.

And speaking of bars, the bars on some of my bikes have always felt narrower than others. The Centurion and the UO-8 especially. But they all measure about the same, C-C either 37.5 or 38. The Champion Team Moto has 39, and the tandem is wider, 42 IIRC. The longer steering arm seems a good idea.

crank_addict

I like those deep del Mondo's, beautiful sweep and on the right bike, gets you into a good honk

Picked this ride up not too long ago. Really haven't looked it over yet but has the criterium bar. A bit scarred, will need some TLC.

verktyg 

Cinelli and Nitto measured bars center to center, 3TTT outside the drops.



I measure bars outside to outside across the drops rather than center to center. Many bars are wider across the drops than at the tops by as much as 20mm.



A bar measuring 41cm wide across the drops may be 39cm or less at the tops. I guess that it gives some forearm clearance when riding on the drops.

Randonneur bars are much wider because of the upturned drops.




From the early 80's until 2006 most of my riding was off road. When I got back onto road bikes again something didn't feel right. Then I realized that I was used to riding much wider bars. My road bikes had 40cm wide bars. Switching to 44cm bars fixed the problem!


Just one more thing... there's no way of telling how much abuse used bars and stems have been through.

Back in the day (early 70's) when we were young and dumb, Cinelli and 3TTT bars and stems were hard to come by especially 22.0mm metric stems.

We sold a lot of French bikes. Cheap cast aluminum "death stems" just didn't look good on all Campy bikes!

We (and many others) used metric Cinelli and 3TTT stems with 25mm French alloy bars. A few stems broke when we clamped them down to 25mm but many more more went out the door that way!

In 1975 I put together a Milremo bar and Cinelli stem. Over the years I used the combo on 3 or 4 different bikes.

When I realized that the 39cm wide Milremo bars were way too narrow I decided to switch them out for some 44cm 3TTT bars with a 26mm center.

I tried to open the bar clamp up by 1mm and as spread spread it with a wedge. The front of the stem flew across my work bench!



This PX-10 has the same problem - a 25mm AVA bar in a Cinelli stem.



BOTTOM LINE

DON'T TRY TO SPREAD THE CLAMP ON AN OLD CINELLI OR 3TTT STEM that's been clamped to fit a smaller bar!

Also inspect old stems before using...

verktyg

Chas.

verktyg 

Followup...

Part of the Cinelli stem timeline information from 43Bikes.com is now posted on the Velo-Retro website:

Velo-Retro: Cinelli Timeline

Scroll to the bottom of the list.

verktyg

Chas.

romperrr 

Thanks for the information @verktyg, looks interesting.

old_dreams

Nice info on a selection of the bars can be found here

Cinelli Drop Handlebars, 2015

verktyg 

Bike Pro was an early online vendor in the US. The company went out of business years ago but someone has been so kind enough to keep the bikepro.com website up and running. It's a great source of information from the mid 1990's.

Notice that the copyright on all of the pictures is © 1996...

The bars picture were the later version Cinellis with a groove in the front for aero levers and brifters.

verktyg

Chas.