jyl

I have made a deal for this frame.



How should I build it?. I'm looking for a rider, a retro roadie. Thinking Campagnolo Record 10 all carbon, something like that. Pfffft on the period correct crap. Only constraint is, money is not flowing as freely as I'd like, BUT I'm happy to let this be a two year project so if you say Di2 that won't be dismissed out of hand.

If you say Gates belt drive or Dutch bike, then you are dead to me. This will be a bike for 60 mile Lycra rides in all weather.

Suggestions welcomed.

D1andonlyDman

How hilly is your typical riding terrain? Would you prefer a drive train that spans from below 30 gear inches up to 110-120 or so, or would you be fine with something that doesn't get below 40 or so gear inches at the low end, but can really have nice, close spacing throughout the range? I've built bike for myself in both categories, but the drivetrain components optimal for each are very different.

plonz 

That's going to be a great retro-mod build!

As far as which modern groupset, sounds like you're thinking top of the line so I'd let appearance be the driver for which modern groupset. If you want to go with a black group, look at the Campy Record carbon. If you want high polish silver, I'm a sucker for Dura Ace 7800. I'm not up to speed on Campy carbon prices but you should be able to piece together the Dura Ace group for $400-$600.

What wheels are you thinking? I've had crap luck with Mavic Ksyriums but they would look pretty darn good on that bike.

Lastly, check out this thread to see what other people have done. I have a DA7800 Raleigh in there somewhere.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...i-s-ergos.html

DMC707

Pfffft on the period correct crap

You lost me right there , it says you dont want to build the bike correctly, you just want to make it cheap and common -- like throwing away a Jaguar E-Type's engine when it drops a valve and replacing it with a small block Chevy

--- The most correct group for that bike is a Mavic Starfish group with hubs laced to GEL 330 rims ---- An early to mid 90's Campy Ergopower 8 speed group would be ok, -- bonus points for a Sachs New Success group (its also ergopower)

Dura Ace 7400 with proper Dura Ace component hubs would be ok - personally i wouldnt go any later than 7700, but even the 7800 10 speed stuff has a tasteful look compared to the stuff they've been throwing out there the last few years

All of those component choices , if in good condition , will still work just as well as the later model stuff -- but you just have to decide the terrain you are really going to ride when you select the cassette

I doubt many of those bikes were ever built up with trashy and heavy clinchers initially , - so i'd say that its stupid to build it back up with them -- but there's tons of Open 4CD and Open SUP rims still floating around no doubt

FBinNY 

I'd try to stay true to the type, if not the period. If Campy, I'd see if I could score Chorus aluminum part from about 2001-2003. Otherwise Shimano 600 or similar. Somehow too much carbon on a steel classic seems out of place to me.

eastbay71

Sweet frame to build...it should be almost as nice as my Gazelle.

Is it practical to install Di2 on a vintage frame? I've always seen them with cables running inside the frame, I guess they could be external but that kind of spoils the look. You could go for the new FSA wireless group as seen at the TdF this summer FSA electronic groupset - first look - BikeRadar USA

Don't listen to the haters that say you have to build it period correct. its your bike build what you want. its not like it will ever be even remotely as valuable as a Jaguar E type and if you ever want to sell it later the next owner can build it as they choose. It may be different if the bike was complete and you decided to trash the original drivetrain for a microSHIFT 9 speed triple with flat bars. And there have been a number of tests lately that show that clinchers have come along way in performance versus tubulars pretty much making tubulars overkill for everyone. Shimano provides their nuetral service wheels and nuetral service bikes to races with clinchers not tubulars. Good luck when you flat several miles from home with a tubular

eastbay71

Off topic Sorry!

can you expand on this. I've got a set of Ksyriums on my Serotta and it seems like they flex like mad. When I'm pumping hard the rear wheel will drag on the brakes. I had to open up the calipers to fix the issue

jyl

I don't need lower than 42x26. I don't need higher than 53x11.

I'm willing to futz with weird stuff like SunXCD short hubs, WheelsMfg adapters, and custom spacers. I'm also willing to mix and match. EPS with Mavic - sure, bring it on, as long as it is light.

The vision here is that a warp of time has erased 30 years and brought 1986 together with 2016. Bernard Hinault and Greg LeMond are locked in combat during the 2016 TdF with their Look 753 bikes and the UCI 6.8 kg limit.

I like tubulars, deep drops, carbon fiber, titanium, polished alloy, and purposeful bikes.

plonz 

I've had two sets of Ksyriums, one Elite and one SL. Both have had issues that, when coupled with Mavic's proprietary BS, rendered them useless.

The SL set suffered the same issue you described. Presumably from the spokes loosening because the spoke nipples literally crumble when touching them with the proprietary spoke wrench. I've learned this is a pretty common issue and my LBS wouldn't touch it. Offered to send the wheel to Mavic for a $300 rebuild. They now make nice wall art.

The rear wheel on my Elite set got a freak dent in the brake track after going over railroad tracks that I go over every week. I've never had an issue with any other wheel on these tracks but now I have a Ksyrium with a nice thump thump thump... every time I use the brakes. Maybe I can't blame the wheel for this one but it just adds to my poor opinion of the Ksyrium line.

I have since bought countless other wheels and continue to pass over Mavics any chance I get. I'm sure the classic Open Road is a fine wheel but I'll take an Ambrosio or Rigida instead as my own little FU to Mavic's lousy customer service.

Thanks for asking!!!

calamarichris

Here's what it'd look like with Dura Ace 7800 and Scott Drop-In bars.
I'm still diddling with the brifter position on these deep-drop bars, but it's a pretty sweet ride.





Edit: should have finished reading your full post; you're dead to me for riding this bike in the rain.

plonz 

That's what I'm talking about. Terrific bike! I'd love to hammer that on the Saturday shop ride.

BTW, I'm naming your dog Rob Zombie.

calamarichris

Her name was Angel. She died this July, just 4 days short of her 17th birthday. Best dog ever.

She still has my heart. I'd gladly feed her my brain if she scratched on my door tonight.

Velocivixen

@jyl - So you made the deal? I know exactly where you got that bike - if I recall, we may have looked at it together once.

I have nothing to add, except that whatever you decide it will be classy.

Lascauxcaveman 

Well, Look-y there what you got! Nice catch!

I'm 50/50 between period-correct and 11-speed whizbang on that, so I'm no help. The only nice frames that have come to me as framesets only always get built up more than one way, over time. So you don't necessarily have to consider yourself as committing one way or the other.

DMC707

For a new school'ish build --- younailed it !

That gen D-A is as late model as i would go -- looks awesome (But thats if the OP cant find a Mavic group - LOL --- a Mektronic group would be beyond cool )

-- But really OP -- its your bike man , --- some of us shave our legs , some of us dont also , -- so whatever floats your boat --- I still think boats float better with tubulars though

DMC707

Gosh man , i got a little dust in my eyes after i read about your Angel --- i feel the same way about my Cupcake to this day -- i found her out in the cold when she was an older dog already, maybe 11 or 12 according to the vet, -- but i got to spend 4.5 years with this amazing little fearless, lion hearted dog and it changed the way i thought about small dogs, and animals in general forever

-- I lost her in 2012, -- i have another little Pekingese i got from a rescue several months after named Buttercup who is also a joy and she is going strong , but my Cupcake left a powerful impression on me for a 9 pound dog

jyl

There are already have three bikes with full Mavic in the family. My son rides one to high school!. Probably want something a bit different. And lighter.

Jaredn

FWIW I put all Record 10 carbon on my 87 Merckx and it's fantastic.

USAZorro

It needs LOOK pedals, right?

jyl

Ya know, I happen to have a set of 1986 Look pedals . . .

Wildwood 

2 yr build cycle is acceptable???? OMG, man.

I say build it with whatever ya got. In 2 years you may want something much different.

RobbieTunes

Another 7800 fan here, and if push comes to shove, I have a set of rings....though I like an FSA Octalink or ISIS carbon crankset a bit better.
The 7800 shifters are just so smooth, and everything on that group is pretty pretty. The wheels are also favorites of mine, DA C24's meet all my needs, and then some.
Now, if you find some WH-7700 wheels, not a bad swap-in. Same hubs, pretty much, with a unique spoke approach.

Chrome Molly

I'd go 7700 (as I like the look of the crankset a little better than the very nice 7800), or I'd go with record 10s era bits and mix in some carbon as you originally suggest. Some frames just need the top performing stuff, and I'd say that's one of them. If you can rock the DT shifters, then you have some nice period options that are indexed also.

Last ride 76 

[QUOTE=jyl;18364733]I don't need lower than 42x26. I don't need higher than 53x11./QUOTE]

Wildwood 

Looking at your list of bikes, this one should not be a Portland 'all weather' bike; UO-8?, GranSport?.
Second suggestion, whatever fenders might work.

Congrats on a great bike.