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Bananas are pretty strange and artificial for us all to be eating, when you think about it. They're only imported, you won't find them at the local farmer's market. They have to travel fast and cold, which requires engines and refrigeration. Under sail and muscle power they'd never make it to us before spoiling. In that sense they're more artificial than Power Bars that are just baked out of storable dry goods and vegetable oil, really just fancy ship's biscuit.
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07-27-16, 04:31 PM
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Interesting argument, but I don't buy it. Bananas are a natural fruit, and powerbars are an engineered food product. I think that trumps the fact that one uses technology to get to us. Sure, bananas aren't native to the USA, but frankly they are native to the Americas, and apples are not. Besides, I think there are some forum members in Central America.
I don't have anything against powerbars, btw, I've eaten lots of them. Main problem for me is that they are expensive and hard to eat, and not really better than various types of real food. I believe they are made primarily from malted rice syrup BTW, not stored dry goods, so that's a bit different than sea biscuits. I guess it's true though, they are vintage now.
Back more OT, besides bananas and fig newtons, BITD i also remember Hostess fruit pies and moon pies being popular, as well as those mini pecan pie things. But those are the type of foods you'd pick up in some little market in the middle of the ride, not bring from home.
I was going to say nowadays I use a modern electrolyte replacement instead of water on hot days, then I realized my fave type is Vitalyte, which is just the new name for Gookinaid, which has been around since the 70s at least.
I don't have anything against powerbars, btw, I've eaten lots of them. Main problem for me is that they are expensive and hard to eat, and not really better than various types of real food. I believe they are made primarily from malted rice syrup BTW, not stored dry goods, so that's a bit different than sea biscuits. I guess it's true though, they are vintage now.
Back more OT, besides bananas and fig newtons, BITD i also remember Hostess fruit pies and moon pies being popular, as well as those mini pecan pie things. But those are the type of foods you'd pick up in some little market in the middle of the ride, not bring from home.
I was going to say nowadays I use a modern electrolyte replacement instead of water on hot days, then I realized my fave type is Vitalyte, which is just the new name for Gookinaid, which has been around since the 70s at least.
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Interesting argument but actually yes and no. The common bananas we buy at the local supermarket in the US are sort of engineered too. Bananas in their native form have seeds which are inedible. The variety we commonly eat were hybridized to the point of having no seeds. They have to be propagated by cutting up trunks and planting the pieces. They are essentially identical genetically, and essentially unnatural! But good anyway.
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The plethora of corporate engineered foodstuffs for cyclists has me feeling cynical.
Bananas used to be the main cyclist food, at least around central and norcal. Ride lengths were often described in terms of 1 banana or 2 banana. On occasion, these might be supplemented by some fig newtons or oreos on longer rides, or even a PB&J sandwich if doing a century or something.
What was the custom in your area?
When powerbars came out they took over pretty quickly, but I was never convinced they were better than good old bananas.
Bananas used to be the main cyclist food, at least around central and norcal. Ride lengths were often described in terms of 1 banana or 2 banana. On occasion, these might be supplemented by some fig newtons or oreos on longer rides, or even a PB&J sandwich if doing a century or something.
What was the custom in your area?
When powerbars came out they took over pretty quickly, but I was never convinced they were better than good old bananas.
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Fig Newtons, bananas, PayDay's, choco milk - I did 'em all.
Anybody else remember ERG powder? It took any old cruddy tap water you put into your water bottle and made it damn near undrinkable. It came in two flavors - I think one was supposed to be lemon and the other wasn't, by my friend more appropriately labeled the flavors as "sweat" and "urine." Nasty stuff . . . but if you could choke it down, it worked.
The same friend described PowerBars as "extruded baby poop." Another friend said that was redundant.
What can I say? I have strange friends.
Anybody else remember ERG powder? It took any old cruddy tap water you put into your water bottle and made it damn near undrinkable. It came in two flavors - I think one was supposed to be lemon and the other wasn't, by my friend more appropriately labeled the flavors as "sweat" and "urine." Nasty stuff . . . but if you could choke it down, it worked.
The same friend described PowerBars as "extruded baby poop." Another friend said that was redundant.
What can I say? I have strange friends.
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07-27-16, 07:50 PM
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Anybody else remember ERG powder? It took any old cruddy tap water you put into your water bottle and made it damn near undrinkable. It came in two flavors - I think one was supposed to be lemon and the other wasn't, by my friend more appropriately labeled the flavors as "sweat" and "urine." Nasty stuff . . . but if you could choke it down, it worked.
ERG = Gookinaid = Vitalyte. Actually I think the taste improved. Until a couple years ago when I bought a tub of Vitalyte, I hadn't had it since the old ERG in 1982 or something.
The lemon is still pretty bad. Orange and fruit punch are ok. Haven't tried any others.
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Still does and I still use it. ERG = Gookinaid = Vitalyte.
Actually I think the taste improved. Until a couple years ago when I bought a tub of Vitalyte, I hadn't had it since the old ERG in 1982 or something.
The lemon is still pretty bad. Orange and fruit punch are ok. Haven't tried any others.
ERG = Gookinaid = Vitalyte. Actually I think the taste improved. Until a couple years ago when I bought a tub of Vitalyte, I hadn't had it since the old ERG in 1982 or something.
The lemon is still pretty bad. Orange and fruit punch are ok. Haven't tried any others.
Your post reminds me of a story I read that said the scientist who invented Gatorade at U of Florida (hence the name) literally barfed when he tasted the first test batch because the flavor was so God-awful. They seem have made it over that hurdle . . . .
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Interesting argument but actually yes and no. The common bananas we buy at the local supermarket in the US are sort of engineered too. Bananas in their native form have seeds which are inedible. The variety we commonly eat were hybridized to the point of having no seeds. They have to be propagated by cutting up trunks and planting the pieces. They are essentially identical genetically, and essentially unnatural! But good anyway.
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I sure hope so. I think I last tried the stuff somewhere around 1978. I only ever saw the sweat and urine flavors; I think the were working on pus, bile and spinal fluid.
Your post reminds me of a story I read that said the scientist who invented Gatorade at U of Florida (hence the name) literally barfed when he tasted the first test batch because the flavor was so God-awful. They seem have made it over that hurdle . . . .
Your post reminds me of a story I read that said the scientist who invented Gatorade at U of Florida (hence the name) literally barfed when he tasted the first test batch because the flavor was so God-awful. They seem have made it over that hurdle . . . .
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As the Wikipedia page for Panama disease says wryly, "The market for bananas is not accustomed to bananas with seeds."
And also from Wikipedia...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana
and another fun fact is that the two biggest producers are India and China, but neither of them export.
And also from Wikipedia...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana
Farmers in Southeast Asia and Papua New Guinea first domesticated bananas. Recent archaeological and palaeoenvironmental evidence at Kuk Swamp in the Western Highlands Province of Papua New Guinea suggests that banana cultivation there goes back to at least 5000 BCE, and possibly to 8000 BCE.[4]
[44] It is likely that other species were later and independently domesticated elsewhere in Southeast Asia. Southeast Asia is the region of primary diversity of the banana. Areas of secondary diversity are found in Africa, indicating a long history of banana cultivation in the region.[45]
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Bananas were introduced to the Americas by Portuguese sailors who brought the fruits from West Africa in the 16th century.[53]
[44] It is likely that other species were later and independently domesticated elsewhere in Southeast Asia. Southeast Asia is the region of primary diversity of the banana. Areas of secondary diversity are found in Africa, indicating a long history of banana cultivation in the region.[45]
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Bananas were introduced to the Americas by Portuguese sailors who brought the fruits from West Africa in the 16th century.[53]
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My summer staple for energy and cramp prevention was dried apricots. I might also carry a payday or other peanut/candy bar. Milky ways were a staple on long rides and multi day tours, but these were bought along the way, NEVER carried.
The other staple energy food was french fries, washed down with the beverage of choice.
The other staple energy food was french fries, washed down with the beverage of choice.
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My nod to high tech is that I've had good results from Jelly Belly's Sport Beans. Good carbs and electrolytes and they don't melt in the heat. Keep an open packet on the bike and pop in 2 or 3 from time to time. And I carry the Rubbermaid Chug bottles. Not C&V but the 3/4" hole in the top really works for heaving in a couple slugs of water - plenty and fast, then back in the cage. And translucent so I can track consumption - stay on pace.
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I sure hope so. I think I last tried the stuff somewhere around 1978. I only ever saw the sweat and urine flavors; I think the were working on pus, bile and spinal fluid.
Your post reminds me of a story I read that said the scientist who invented Gatorade at U of Florida (hence the name) literally barfed when he tasted the first test batch because the flavor was so God-awful. They seem have made it over that hurdle . . . .
Your post reminds me of a story I read that said the scientist who invented Gatorade at U of Florida (hence the name) literally barfed when he tasted the first test batch because the flavor was so God-awful. They seem have made it over that hurdle . . . .
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I hate to off topic, but I'd rather ask here than in the 41.
Lately I have had a hard time with real food on hard rides. I eat anything and I'll be nauseous for the next 45 minutes. While I can stomach Gatorade, I prefer water.
But without eating or getting electrolytes, I will bonk and cramp on a hard ride.
Many years ago I tried a gel or two and found them disgusting and so never had much experience with them. Anyone know if they are easier on the stomach? Any other suggestions?
Lately I have had a hard time with real food on hard rides. I eat anything and I'll be nauseous for the next 45 minutes. While I can stomach Gatorade, I prefer water.
But without eating or getting electrolytes, I will bonk and cramp on a hard ride.
Many years ago I tried a gel or two and found them disgusting and so never had much experience with them. Anyone know if they are easier on the stomach? Any other suggestions?
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Smart Water is good for electrolytes, but have you tried bananas? Mandarin oranges?
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Not suggestions because everyone's stomach is different, but I've been really trying to dial in my nutrition this summer because of leg cramps and stomach issues and here is what's been working for me. (Leg cramps started at mile 65 of the dirty kanza and I still had 141 miles to go. I managed to do it but decided I needed to change some stuff.)
Skratch powder - one scoop per 26-oz bottle dilutes it enough to where I don't feel like I'm drinking syrup. A lot of people have stomach issues with Gatorade, myself included. One 26-oz bottle per hour.
Electrolyte supplement - I've been using S!Caps with success. I had been using Endurolytes but S!caps have more sodium and I've sweat very heavily - about 3 lbs/hour. I've been doing 1 pill every 30 minutes. I've found if I take more than that my stomach doesn't like it.
2 pitted dates, sprinkled with sea salt, every hour.
I LOVE the dates. More potassium than bananas, kind of sweet, soft enough to chew and digest easily, and when I add sea salt it offsets the sweet plus tastes delicious when you're hot. Lots of carbs and calories in a small package.
Even with all that, I still run into leg cramps especially when hammering for a long time... but last week not only did I drink pickle juice before the ride, I took about 5 oz of pickle juice with me in a gel flask and drank it 2 hours into the ride. It was hot af last week but I didn't cramp.
YMMV.
Skratch powder - one scoop per 26-oz bottle dilutes it enough to where I don't feel like I'm drinking syrup. A lot of people have stomach issues with Gatorade, myself included. One 26-oz bottle per hour.
Electrolyte supplement - I've been using S!Caps with success. I had been using Endurolytes but S!caps have more sodium and I've sweat very heavily - about 3 lbs/hour. I've been doing 1 pill every 30 minutes. I've found if I take more than that my stomach doesn't like it.
2 pitted dates, sprinkled with sea salt, every hour.
I LOVE the dates. More potassium than bananas, kind of sweet, soft enough to chew and digest easily, and when I add sea salt it offsets the sweet plus tastes delicious when you're hot. Lots of carbs and calories in a small package.
Even with all that, I still run into leg cramps especially when hammering for a long time... but last week not only did I drink pickle juice before the ride, I took about 5 oz of pickle juice with me in a gel flask and drank it 2 hours into the ride. It was hot af last week but I didn't cramp.
YMMV.
I hate to off topic, but I'd rather ask here than in the 41.
Lately I have had a hard time with real food on hard rides. I eat anything and I'll be nauseous for the next 45 minutes. While I can stomach Gatorade, I prefer water.
But without eating or getting electrolytes, I will bonk and cramp on a hard ride.
Many years ago I tried a gel or two and found them disgusting and so never had much experience with them. Anyone know if they are easier on the stomach? Any other suggestions?
Lately I have had a hard time with real food on hard rides. I eat anything and I'll be nauseous for the next 45 minutes. While I can stomach Gatorade, I prefer water.
But without eating or getting electrolytes, I will bonk and cramp on a hard ride.
Many years ago I tried a gel or two and found them disgusting and so never had much experience with them. Anyone know if they are easier on the stomach? Any other suggestions?
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Peanut butter and banana sandwich. Also recently made a batch of this:
Pretty tasty, freezes well and easy to digest. I think I made it a little too watery this time (fresh was fine, but frozen ones you can tell), and next time I will probably try and mash it down some.
A different recipe
Also want to try making this:
Pretty tasty, freezes well and easy to digest. I think I made it a little too watery this time (fresh was fine, but frozen ones you can tell), and next time I will probably try and mash it down some.
A different recipe
Also want to try making this:
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For me it's salt that makes the difference between a bonk or not. I don't mash hard enough to get cramps, but I have bonked my fair share of times, A mini, or small bag of potato chips does the job. Preferably in advance of the bonk
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Back in the day it was 3 Muskateers and a warm coke, bought at 7-11. Bananas and orange's with chocolate chip cookies on the well run charity rides. Then there were the McDonalds Bikeathons. Anyone else run those? We used to try, and fail, to make them a century (my neighbors learned after the first year to no pledge too much), and ate pretty much nothing but fries and cokes all day long.
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I hate to off topic, but I'd rather ask here than in the 41.
Lately I have had a hard time with real food on hard rides. I eat anything and I'll be nauseous for the next 45 minutes. While I can stomach Gatorade, I prefer water.
But without eating or getting electrolytes, I will bonk and cramp on a hard ride.
Many years ago I tried a gel or two and found them disgusting and so never had much experience with them. Anyone know if they are easier on the stomach? Any other suggestions?
Lately I have had a hard time with real food on hard rides. I eat anything and I'll be nauseous for the next 45 minutes. While I can stomach Gatorade, I prefer water.
But without eating or getting electrolytes, I will bonk and cramp on a hard ride.
Many years ago I tried a gel or two and found them disgusting and so never had much experience with them. Anyone know if they are easier on the stomach? Any other suggestions?
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kentucky fried chicken, or smoked spare ribs, or bbq'd pork chops, or spaghetti bolognaise with parmeson cheese, or pizza
thats what I eat on a long ride .... I need proper food
gels, bananas and energy bars dont work for me
I have Hughs High 5 electrolite tablets that you mix with water, but that tastes of artificial sweetener/aspartame, so I don't even use that anymore
thats what I eat on a long ride .... I need proper food
gels, bananas and energy bars dont work for me
I have Hughs High 5 electrolite tablets that you mix with water, but that tastes of artificial sweetener/aspartame, so I don't even use that anymore