Who's willing to take the challenge? NOS 50's complete tube and lug set!
10-17-16, 02:35 PM
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Who's willing to take the challenge? NOS 50's complete tube and lug set!
Spotted on the bay. (NOT MINE nor KNOW ANYTHING of seller.) This certainly would make for an interesting bike and story unlike any other for the C&V fans!
(mods: This is for fun discussion only and thought appropriate as a separate thread.)
NOS VINTAGE 1950's RACE BIKE LUG SET WITH FULL 11 PIECE 531 D/B TUBE SET
Vintage 1950 039 s Race Bike Lug Set with Full 11 Piece 531 D B Tube Set | eBay
number:291267382613
Very cool 1950's race bike lug set
comes with complete (1970's) 11 piece double butted Reynolds 531 tube set
Please check my other lug set auctions, you can change to any of these sets if you would prefer.
Lug set contains
Top head lug
Bottom head lug
Seat lug
Bottom bracket shell
Fork crown
X2 Oscar Egg rear drop outs
X2 seat cluster ends
X2 pump pegs
X4 mud guard eyes
Please note forks from the Reynolds set are oval
and fork crown is half oval, so a little work will need be done to make fit.
Back to the future >>>>>>>
(mods: This is for fun discussion only and thought appropriate as a separate thread.)
NOS VINTAGE 1950's RACE BIKE LUG SET WITH FULL 11 PIECE 531 D/B TUBE SET
Vintage 1950 039 s Race Bike Lug Set with Full 11 Piece 531 D B Tube Set | eBay
number:291267382613
Very cool 1950's race bike lug set
comes with complete (1970's) 11 piece double butted Reynolds 531 tube set
Please check my other lug set auctions, you can change to any of these sets if you would prefer.
Lug set contains
Top head lug
Bottom head lug
Seat lug
Bottom bracket shell
Fork crown
X2 Oscar Egg rear drop outs
X2 seat cluster ends
X2 pump pegs
X4 mud guard eyes
Please note forks from the Reynolds set are oval
and fork crown is half oval, so a little work will need be done to make fit.
Back to the future >>>>>>>
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10-17-16, 03:06 PM
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Not for $500 + shipping from the Land of the Long White Cloud. But that seat lug does bring to mind this recent thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ing-seat-.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ing-seat-.html
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Really cool, but @$500, outta my price range.
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Is that BB lug corroded? Seems a bit more that you'd expect from a GOOD casting. And those dropouts look stamped. Looks like somebody is just marrying some old lugs of no great quality with newer 531 tubing.
Not worth $500. Maybe not even worth 1/2 that.
Not worth $500. Maybe not even worth 1/2 that.
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Am I missing something here? I look at 531 tubesets on the bay fairly often just for fun. The last few I have seen sold have gone for well over $500 and they do not include lugs. Seems to me this is a bit of bargain if one has some skills. I will say I am not enamored with the lugs.
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I wasn't looking at the point of valuation here but certainly the 531 tubeset has absolute merit.
My thinking is a 'what if' and the unique opportunity. Surely some collector would like it as is, perhaps shadow box display but....
My thinking is a 'what if' and the unique opportunity. Surely some collector would like it as is, perhaps shadow box display but....
10-17-16, 04:17 PM
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Think of the fun taking up a frame builder's clinic / course and later attempt this project.
(Note: I don't see fork ends in the listing.)
(Note: I don't see fork ends in the listing.)
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Ignoring the details and price, there would be a bit of a cool factor to have a frame that encompassed over half a century within itself.
20 years lugs to tube set + over 40 years to the build.
So a question; if someone were to build this up, would it qualify as classic or vintage, or even just plain old?
20 years lugs to tube set + over 40 years to the build.
So a question; if someone were to build this up, would it qualify as classic or vintage, or even just plain old?
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I do like the Columbus SP tube sets on offer elsewhere on the site. With the big oversized chain stays that neck down to fit the BB shell spigots.
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The BB shell looks like a sand cast part. This was pretty common BITD. There's a lot of hand-work to make it look decent. Cinelli really raised the bar with their "Microfusion" castings in the 70s, and nowadays you don't see those gnarly old sand cast parts too often. Dropouts are stamped, again, pretty common BITD. And lugs would get a lot of hand re-working as well to get them looking decent.
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The BB shell looks like a sand cast part. This was pretty common BITD. There's a lot of hand-work to make it look decent. Cinelli really raised the bar with their "Microfusion" castings in the 70s, and nowadays you don't see those gnarly old sand cast parts too often. Dropouts are stamped, again, pretty common BITD. And lugs would get a lot of hand re-working as well to get them looking decent.
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I could spend under $200 for a modern 4130 tubeset, lugs, dropouts, and all the brazed bit accoutrements, build it up, slap some 531 decals on it, and many would rave how well it rode. There's nothing magical about 531 from a technical sense, but marketing made it so.
As @JohnDThompson said, there's a heck of a lot of work to make those lugs and BB look decent. I'd rather carve my own.
As @JohnDThompson said, there's a heck of a lot of work to make those lugs and BB look decent. I'd rather carve my own.
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The head lugs appear to be the same ones as used on the Norman Rapide ca 1950:
I've seen photos of a BSA Tour of Britain with the same lugs, and also a Carlton of some kind, all from the early 50's. I don't know who made them. The fork crown is reminiscent of a Brampton crown:
I don't know how you'd fit the oval (elliptical) section fork blades into the d-shaped crown. Anyone want to enlighten me on that?
I think it's a cool set, but it seems to me it should be at least three separate lots: the lugs (including stay caps), the dropouts, and the tube set. The fork crown and fender eyelets should probably be separate offerings as well.
I've seen photos of a BSA Tour of Britain with the same lugs, and also a Carlton of some kind, all from the early 50's. I don't know who made them. The fork crown is reminiscent of a Brampton crown:
I don't know how you'd fit the oval (elliptical) section fork blades into the d-shaped crown. Anyone want to enlighten me on that?
I think it's a cool set, but it seems to me it should be at least three separate lots: the lugs (including stay caps), the dropouts, and the tube set. The fork crown and fender eyelets should probably be separate offerings as well.
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