Mystery top end frame
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Mystery top end frame
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Its been a while since I have been online after moving back to Sydney from Amsterdam. I went out to purchase a couple or bikes for parts and one of the is unique. There is no serial numbers i can see anywhere, however on the top side of the bottom bracket there is a BCM or BCH stamped on it and the cable guide on the bottom bracket is Vitus. Columbus on the forks and rear wheel. It also looks like it was powder coated and the original color looks like various colors as it shows red, blue and yellow under the powder coat. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
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Its been a while since I have been online after moving back to Sydney from Amsterdam. I went out to purchase a couple or bikes for parts and one of the is unique. There is no serial numbers i can see anywhere, however on the top side of the bottom bracket there is a BCM or BCH stamped on it and the cable guide on the bottom bracket is Vitus. Columbus on the forks and rear wheel. It also looks like it was powder coated and the original color looks like various colors as it shows red, blue and yellow under the powder coat. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
Pictures link.
https://m.facebook.com/Vintage-Cycle...3558/?__tn__=C
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We will need some good detailed pics on this one to be of much help. Based on initial description I would guess it is small maker semi custom build likely European since your in Amsterdam which is a big bike country most likely of local origin.
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I've never seen a Bocama BB shell before, but this sure looks like one. Based on the "leaf" stay cap and your location I might look into Jan Le Grand, but this doesn't have his signature "diamond" brake bridge, yet might be somebody making an "homage" to Le Grand.
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Sorry but just letting you know, i purchased this in Sydney Australia
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Attaching image of old catalogue page showing assortment of BOCAMA shells. Your style not shown, catalogue too old.
Frame's lugset is BOCAMA Competition 78 serie. They were offered both long an short on the nozzle cut side. Also some variation in cutouts.
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Attaching image of old catalogue page showing assortment of BOCAMA shells. Your style not shown, catalogue too old.
Frame's lugset is BOCAMA Competition 78 serie. They were offered both long an short on the nozzle cut side. Also some variation in cutouts.
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Looks to be a nice late 70's racing frameset all of the frame parts look to nicer off the shelf so it could be just about any small builder. It does look to be very well made, since none of the parts look to be original and it's been repainted a bit hard to ID. It does have a few nice details in the way it's finished so there's a good chance someone make recognize the maker.
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well, interesting that this frame would have been in Sydney, but it still has sufficient "Euro" details to make me think it's more likely to have been built there rather than, say, Adelaide. But anything's possible...still my money would be on "Benelux" if I was betting. Also hard to tell but check if the seat post is too small, looks like the (yes Virginia, they do call it this) "Dutch style" pinch bolt might be TOO pinched.
In any case, now I HAVE seen a BCM BB shell in both photos and catalog scans, so my education continues.
BTW looks like a nice frame, good ON ya, mate!
In any case, now I HAVE seen a BCM BB shell in both photos and catalog scans, so my education continues.
BTW looks like a nice frame, good ON ya, mate!
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Agree with @unworthy1 that it has a 'Benelux feel' to it. The RD cable stop is new to me, however, as are the 'upside down' willow leafs. Don't remember having seen those before. Nice frame, though. Very nice.
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Frame's fork crown looks as though it may be a late edition of the BOCAMA Ref. DL, truncated & counterbored for incasso brakes.
Earlier version shown in this olde catalogue page.
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Frame's fork crown looks as though it may be a late edition of the BOCAMA Ref. DL, truncated & counterbored for incasso brakes.
Earlier version shown in this olde catalogue page.
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well, interesting that this frame would have been in Sydney, but it still has sufficient "Euro" details to make me think it's more likely to have been built there rather than, say, Adelaide. But anything's possible...still my money would be on "Benelux" if I was betting. Also hard to tell but check if the seat post is too small, looks like the (yes Virginia, they do call it this) "Dutch style" pinch bolt might be TOO pinched.
In any case, now I HAVE seen a BCM BB shell in both photos and catalog scans, so my education continues.
BTW looks like a nice frame, good ON ya, mate!
In any case, now I HAVE seen a BCM BB shell in both photos and catalog scans, so my education continues.
BTW looks like a nice frame, good ON ya, mate!
Looks like under all that red witch is spayed over the original paint is multi colored. The head is white, top tube red down tube is blue, seat tube is yellow and the seat stays and chain stays blue. I have seen that color scheme on a Gazelle.
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