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Old 11-16-16, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Wills
OK, you first:

That's IT!!!

Or, could one cut out the entire middle section of the steerer and bond in a carbon fiber tube?. You'd need enough steel tube for the (cut-short) quill expander.
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Originally Posted by jyl
Oh c'mon, all the steerers in the pro peloton are carbon . . .

Seriously, how much stress can the steerer be under? The headset lower race takes all the hits.
I think that's the wrong question to be asking. I'd ask, if this part fails while I'm riding down a hill at 35 mph, how will the bike handle?

With most frame parts, the failure of one tube would lead to a bike that handles poorly, but in most cases you could ride or skid to a safe stop. But if your front wheel falls off, you're going down.
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Originally Posted by jyl
Oh c'mon, all the steerers in the pro peloton are carbon . . .

Seriously, how much stress can the steerer be under? The headset lower race takes all the hits.
I don't know, but it sounds like you're suggesting carbon steerers are fragile. They're not.
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Imaging riding a bike where the fork is only supported at the lower headset cup...

The steerer tube resists some significant bending moments/stresses, not just axial loads.

Design requirements for an hour record bike to be ridden ~once on a velodrome (or whatever that cheese grater above is, just noticed the mounting hole for a brake) are very different from design requirements for a road bike.

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Nice work gugie!

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Great work gugie!

Originally Posted by jyl
Oh c'mon, all the steerers in the pro peloton are carbon . . .

Seriously, how much stress can the steerer be under? The headset lower race takes all the hits.
Ask George Hincapie...
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Originally Posted by Jeff Wills
OK, you first:

How much weight do you think the driller removed?
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Originally Posted by noglider
How much weight do you think the driller removed?

A LOT more than on a couple of aluminium levers. Both are up front.
Would you ride it?
Probably on a track, eh???


edit: Or on most roads with some precaution. maybe not your cobblestone rider.
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Seems the bending stress on the steerer tube is in the fore-aft direction, much less in the side-to-side direction. So maybe the steerer should have been drilled accordingly.
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What a long strange trip it's been... something something about an election in 2016, and a four year period of distractions. As well as occasional trips to the basement to file brass from places brass didn't need to be. Testing the waters for painters, and then eventually just getting my damn ass off the pot and setting things in motion.

Rick at D&D in San Lorenzo California painted the frame, in May. I let the wet paint cure for a couple weeks, then started easing various parts on. It was July before I had headset bearings pressed in, and could then start testing it for riding characteristics. It's now August, and I've been out riding it around town, and learning to love the Rohloff, as well as the MAFAC centerpulls.

Just a few pictures for now, but let me say... gugie is the man. In addition to getting everything right with the frame, the re-raked Rivendell forks feel better, in all ways, than the forks on my QuickBeam and my '98 LongLow, Steering is lighter, yet more stable, and a delight going fast. And just a bit cushier, naturally, given the extra curve of the fork tips.


Finally ready to send to get painted.


Two seat binder bolts, because, well...


I think it took two hours brazing these balls in place.


All the bits, ready to go on.


I couldn't wait, had to take it out.


Napping...

Okay, with that, the peanut gallery is open...

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Originally Posted by Ex Pres
Very nice work for just a second frame.

Customer is always right; but I see the third tube as kind of like a woman with a third breast.
I'm curiously attracted to yoar analogy... I mean, a 50% bonus, what's not to like?

As to the ride, I can already tell you that it's stiff where it needs to be, where would be flexing while standing up on the pedals uphill if not for that middle brace. And it looks cool.
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What was that about stiff?

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Haha, the lewd pump peg is back!

Awesome to see this bike come together at last.
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Looks great. Has Gugie come up with a headbadge yet?
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Originally Posted by himespau
Looks great. Has Gugie come up with a headbadge yet?
@rhm did for me.

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Very cool!
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That's a good looking bike. You sure Gugie made it? The one I know has gray hair.




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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
That's a good looking bike. You sure Gugie made it? The one I know has gray hair.




That was before all the frames that came after No. 2
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Yeah, a side effect of Gugificazione. I think @Andy_K will have to add that outcome to the definitive history of the man and his craft.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
That's a good looking bike. You sure Gugie made it? The one I know has gray hair.
Like I said above, it's been a LONG four years since I drove up to Portlandia to fetch the frame, and help finish the project. I might have had some pictures from way long ago when we first met, when his hair was still a dark-ish precursor, but they were probably lost in the tragic boating accident that sank all my guns to the bottom of the lake. And so, I tend to remember @gugie in the current hue, clutching his Porteur and wondering when the Amtrak No. 46 will arrive.


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It's been so long that Norther Cycles was still extant, my shop was reasonably clean, and the Stella hanging in the upper left was still an Atala.

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Originally Posted by BoltBreaker
Like I said above, it's been a LONG four years since I drove up to Portlandia to fetch the frame, and help finish the project. I might have had some pictures from way long ago when we first met, when his hair was still a dark-ish precursor, but they were probably lost in the tragic boating accident that sank all my guns to the bottom of the lake. And so, I tend to remember @gugie in the current hue, clutching his Porteur and wondering when the Amtrak No. 46 will arrive.

He’s cleaned up his credit card touring game over the years


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It's been so long that Norther Cycles was still extant, my shop was reasonably clean, and the Stella hanging in the upper left was still an Atala.

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i didn’t even notice the Stella hanging there. That may be the first time that’s happened.

i also only see one Gran(d) Sport(s) in this picture. That must have been a long time ago!
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
He’s cleaned up his credit card touring game over the years
Indeed. I'm envisioning the next TdMIL and having to endure the stories (longer than comments, longer even than considered responses) that will ensue when strangers ask us about the heritage of the shiny green frame. But it's all good, this is a delightful ride, the best I've known, and I'm looking forward to the tours.

By the way, lights, and fenders, are here in hand and next on the assembly list. I've just been distracted by testing out the "naked" ride.



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Originally Posted by BoltBreaker
Indeed. I'm envisioning the next TdMIL and having to endure the stories (longer than comments, longer even than considered responses) that will ensue when strangers ask us about the heritage of the shiny green frame. But it's all good, this is a delightful ride, the best I've known, and I'm looking forward to the tours.
You do know I already have a publicist?

For shorthand, he also has my stories numbered, but it's a slightly different system. I have to remember which Andy I'm talking to and translate using a vintage Enigma machine.
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Originally Posted by BoltBreaker
Indeed. I'm envisioning the next TdMIL and having to endure the stories (longer than comments, longer even than considered responses) that will ensue when strangers ask us about the heritage of the shiny green frame. But it's all good, this is a delightful ride, the best I've known, and I'm looking forward to the tours.

By the way, lights, and fenders, are here in hand and next on the assembly list. I've just been distracted by testing out the "naked" ride.



man is that beautiful 😍
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