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The Mongrel
At first glance, it looks like a relatively ordinary bike. The white saddle and bar tape are perhaps a questionable choice, as are the clipless mountain bike pedals, but those can likely be forgiven in the name of personal tastes.
But then you look closer. Sweet baby Jesus, are those non-aero...shifters?!?
And it gets worse...a brand new Shimano MTB rear derailleur...
...with (Good lord, no!) a Campagnolo triple crankset and a SunTour front derailleur!
Holy Island of Dr. Moreau! Who would do such a thing? With any luck you've looked away before noticing the Campagnolo cable housing connecting the Gevenalle shifters to the Tektro brakes or the fact that the Campy crankset has a Shimano inner chainring.
I'm expecting Tim Neenan to file an injuction any day now forcing me to remove his name from this bike.
So the back story...I don't usually make any attempt at period correct builds, but I do generally have some kind of unified vision for each bike. In this case, I was building the bike purely to be ridden, maybe even a little sport touring.
I wanted a 3x10 drivetrain with a wide range cassette. That more or less makes the M591 Deore rear derailleur the default choice. I love the crisp shifting and reliability of the Gevenalle shifters, and for a sport tourer they seemed like a perfect fit. For the crankset I wanted something silver that wouldn't look glaringly out of place on this bike. I had tentatively decided on a new Stronglight Impact triple, but then I realized that the choice of the Gevenalle shifters meant I didn't need any silly pins or ramps on my chainrings. I had the Racing T crank sitting on the shelf and the guy I bought it from had already committed the atrocity of putting on a Shimano 30T ring, so bolting it onto a UN55 bottom bracket in a Shimano-ish build was just another step down the rabbit hole. The SunTour XC Expert front derailleur was also on the parts shelf, and again the Gevenalle shifters mean that will work (and it works really well, BTW).
In the end it all came together just as I imagined.
But then you look closer. Sweet baby Jesus, are those non-aero...shifters?!?
And it gets worse...a brand new Shimano MTB rear derailleur...
...with (Good lord, no!) a Campagnolo triple crankset and a SunTour front derailleur!
Holy Island of Dr. Moreau! Who would do such a thing? With any luck you've looked away before noticing the Campagnolo cable housing connecting the Gevenalle shifters to the Tektro brakes or the fact that the Campy crankset has a Shimano inner chainring.
I'm expecting Tim Neenan to file an injuction any day now forcing me to remove his name from this bike.
So the back story...I don't usually make any attempt at period correct builds, but I do generally have some kind of unified vision for each bike. In this case, I was building the bike purely to be ridden, maybe even a little sport touring.
I wanted a 3x10 drivetrain with a wide range cassette. That more or less makes the M591 Deore rear derailleur the default choice. I love the crisp shifting and reliability of the Gevenalle shifters, and for a sport tourer they seemed like a perfect fit. For the crankset I wanted something silver that wouldn't look glaringly out of place on this bike. I had tentatively decided on a new Stronglight Impact triple, but then I realized that the choice of the Gevenalle shifters meant I didn't need any silly pins or ramps on my chainrings. I had the Racing T crank sitting on the shelf and the guy I bought it from had already committed the atrocity of putting on a Shimano 30T ring, so bolting it onto a UN55 bottom bracket in a Shimano-ish build was just another step down the rabbit hole. The SunTour XC Expert front derailleur was also on the parts shelf, and again the Gevenalle shifters mean that will work (and it works really well, BTW).
In the end it all came together just as I imagined.
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Always wanted to try those shifters; they sound pretty interesting. For a parts-bin build, it looks mostly cohesive. Didn't notice the ring thing until you pointed it out. I'm sure I'm guilty of worse atrocities.
But christ, that's one ugly RD! I'm pretty heavily biased against the overstyled appearance of all the modern Alien-vs-Predator-looking parts, though. It reminds me of around the year 2000 when the BMW car line all went from being sharp, businesslike designs to being beaten to a pulp by the ugly stick.
But christ, that's one ugly RD! I'm pretty heavily biased against the overstyled appearance of all the modern Alien-vs-Predator-looking parts, though. It reminds me of around the year 2000 when the BMW car line all went from being sharp, businesslike designs to being beaten to a pulp by the ugly stick.
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Believe it or not, I wouldn't really consider this a parts bin build. This is version 2 and fixes everything I wasn't happy with in the parts bin build. I used the crank and front derailleur because nothing else seemed substantially better (at least not enough so to justify spending money on). I'll probably upgrade the wheels at some point. Everything else is pretty much exactly what I'd choose for this bike and most of it was purchased specifically for this build.
I do agree the RD is ugly, but its functionality is exactly what I wanted.
I love the shifters. I've had Gevenalle shifters on my CX bike for years and wouldn't even consider anything else for that purpose. I was looking at some 5703 105 levers for this build, but those wouldn't have worked quite as well with the Tektro brakes and the front shifting would have been more finicky, not to mention the disposable-by-design nature of modern Shimano shifters. By coincidence, the Gevenalle levers on my CX bike replaced the exact same 105 levers I used for the test build of this frame.
I do agree the RD is ugly, but its functionality is exactly what I wanted.
I love the shifters. I've had Gevenalle shifters on my CX bike for years and wouldn't even consider anything else for that purpose. I was looking at some 5703 105 levers for this build, but those wouldn't have worked quite as well with the Tektro brakes and the front shifting would have been more finicky, not to mention the disposable-by-design nature of modern Shimano shifters. By coincidence, the Gevenalle levers on my CX bike replaced the exact same 105 levers I used for the test build of this frame.
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Excellent functional build!
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You guys are too nice. Even mixing Shimano and Campy I get nothing worse than a qualified remark on how ugly the RD is.
I noticed this morning that the big chainring is, in fact, pinned and has shaped teeth. Attention to detail has never been my strong suit.
I noticed this morning that the big chainring is, in fact, pinned and has shaped teeth. Attention to detail has never been my strong suit.
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Just needs some racks and it'd be perfect.
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I like the Deore M591 RD. I've found a inexpensive source for brand new ones from Hong Kong. At about $30 a pop they're an affordable problem solver. The can handle extended range casettes up to 32 or even 34 tooth. And, they shift flawlessly. I really don't care if they look funny. It's all about function to me.
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I think it's kind of interesting that the RD-M591 is still so readily available. It still shows up in Shimano's specification charts, so I'm guessing that they still manufacture it. Like the 6-bolt M756 hubs it's part of a dead product line but still serves enough practical purposes to maintain user demand. The Rivendell website says it will shift a 36T cassette but that's outside of Shimano's specs.
I'm not sure Shimano has ever produced a rear derailleur that can handle a 32T indexed cassette AND looks good. But you know how people talk about paint that looks good from 10 feet? With this build I'm kind of taking a 10-foot approach with the components. I think it looks pretty good from a distance.
I'm not sure Shimano has ever produced a rear derailleur that can handle a 32T indexed cassette AND looks good. But you know how people talk about paint that looks good from 10 feet? With this build I'm kind of taking a 10-foot approach with the components. I think it looks pretty good from a distance.
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I thought I recognized that background. Perfect backdrop for a perfect build.
What'd you get (at the South Store Cafe)?
What'd you get (at the South Store Cafe)?
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Nice eye for the location! I got a friendly greeting telling me they were just closing up.
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Hmmm, something tells me that a future ride, perhaps on a nice spring day should incorporate a stop there.
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Aesthetically, the bike does nothing for me. By nothing, I mean, no reaction to speak of. It's not ugly. It's not ... pretty. But it looks highly functional, which is always good and you get extra points for not calling it a "frankenbike." Mongrel is a much nicer word!
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A friend of mine has those shifters but we had a devil of a time trying to get them to shift correctly. Not sure what was going on with them.
What do you think of them?
What do you think of them?
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Sure they have; every 105 long cage up through 1056 and every Deore up through 737 or so. The Deore 650 is my special favorite. I can't vouch for their abilities shifting across more than 9 cogs, but that doesn't mean they can't.
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Lovely work. Frankenbikes really should be their own category.
I'll also toss in a vote for the 105/GS derailleurs as well & some of the early Deore models, esp. the M700, MT60, the LX/ M56X series, and the XT 737s.
I'll also toss in a vote for the 105/GS derailleurs as well & some of the early Deore models, esp. the M700, MT60, the LX/ M56X series, and the XT 737s.
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I had no trouble getting them dialed in on this bike.
Yeah, lucky for me it didn't fit the previous owner.
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Any weekend when it isn't raining should be good for that. Spring, summer...I'm sure we'll get another nice weekend eventually.
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Yeah, I'm not sure there's a lot I could do with this bike to give it a "Wow!" factor. I like the white saddle and bar tape, but otherwise just avoiding the obviously ugly is enough for me. I like it a lot, not least because of how basic it is, but I don't expect it to impress anyone. I did think the component mix might offend some purists, but maybe that's a dying religion.
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Nice looking bike, from 10 feet, ugly closeup, glad it works for you.
My setup with Shimano 105 5703 3x10 shifts a 11-36 cassette and a 50 45 30 half step + granny using both the mid cage 5700 RD and the triple 5700 FD with no problems so you are not limited to the Deore derailleur.
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I'm a little surprised that works. The Shimano spec says 32T max for the 5701-GS RD and 40T max capacity. I wouldn't have been surprised to hear it work with 34T, but a 36T is a lot bigger than a 32T. Also, do you have chain wrap issues if you use the 11-36 combination (understanding that there is no reason to ever do that)?
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Well, I for one would like to say that I'm appalled! You may think it's "no big deal," but this sort of behaviour is quite simply repulsive. What's next, rock & roll and funny cigarettes? Shame on you Mr. @Andy_K!
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At first glance, it looks like a relatively ordinary bike. The white saddle and bar tape are perhaps a questionable choice, as are the clipless mountain bike pedals, but those can likely be forgiven in the name of personal tastes.
But then you look closer. Sweet baby Jesus, are those non-aero...shifters?!?
And it gets worse...a brand new Shimano MTB rear derailleur...
...with (Good lord, no!) a Campagnolo triple crankset and a SunTour front derailleur!
Holy Island of Dr. Moreau! Who would do such a thing? With any luck you've looked away before noticing the Campagnolo cable housing connecting the Gevenalle shifters to the Tektro brakes or the fact that the Campy crankset has a Shimano inner chainring.
I'm expecting Tim Neenan to file an injuction any day now forcing me to remove his name from this bike.
So the back story...I don't usually make any attempt at period correct builds, but I do generally have some kind of unified vision for each bike. In this case, I was building the bike purely to be ridden, maybe even a little sport touring.
I wanted a 3x10 drivetrain with a wide range cassette. That more or less makes the M591 Deore rear derailleur the default choice. I love the crisp shifting and reliability of the Gevenalle shifters, and for a sport tourer they seemed like a perfect fit. For the crankset I wanted something silver that wouldn't look glaringly out of place on this bike. I had tentatively decided on a new Stronglight Impact triple, but then I realized that the choice of the Gevenalle shifters meant I didn't need any silly pins or ramps on my chainrings. I had the Racing T crank sitting on the shelf and the guy I bought it from had already committed the atrocity of putting on a Shimano 30T ring, so bolting it onto a UN55 bottom bracket in a Shimano-ish build was just another step down the rabbit hole. The SunTour XC Expert front derailleur was also on the parts shelf, and again the Gevenalle shifters mean that will work (and it works really well, BTW).
In the end it all came together just as I imagined.
But then you look closer. Sweet baby Jesus, are those non-aero...shifters?!?
And it gets worse...a brand new Shimano MTB rear derailleur...
...with (Good lord, no!) a Campagnolo triple crankset and a SunTour front derailleur!
Holy Island of Dr. Moreau! Who would do such a thing? With any luck you've looked away before noticing the Campagnolo cable housing connecting the Gevenalle shifters to the Tektro brakes or the fact that the Campy crankset has a Shimano inner chainring.
I'm expecting Tim Neenan to file an injuction any day now forcing me to remove his name from this bike.
So the back story...I don't usually make any attempt at period correct builds, but I do generally have some kind of unified vision for each bike. In this case, I was building the bike purely to be ridden, maybe even a little sport touring.
I wanted a 3x10 drivetrain with a wide range cassette. That more or less makes the M591 Deore rear derailleur the default choice. I love the crisp shifting and reliability of the Gevenalle shifters, and for a sport tourer they seemed like a perfect fit. For the crankset I wanted something silver that wouldn't look glaringly out of place on this bike. I had tentatively decided on a new Stronglight Impact triple, but then I realized that the choice of the Gevenalle shifters meant I didn't need any silly pins or ramps on my chainrings. I had the Racing T crank sitting on the shelf and the guy I bought it from had already committed the atrocity of putting on a Shimano 30T ring, so bolting it onto a UN55 bottom bracket in a Shimano-ish build was just another step down the rabbit hole. The SunTour XC Expert front derailleur was also on the parts shelf, and again the Gevenalle shifters mean that will work (and it works really well, BTW).
In the end it all came together just as I imagined.
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Well, I for one would like to say that I'm appalled! You may think it's "no big deal," but this sort of behaviour is quite simply repulsive. What's next, rock & roll and funny cigarettes? Shame on you Mr. @Andy_K!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YDurhx8QyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YDurhx8QyA
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