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Old 02-16-17, 11:43 AM   #1
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Campagnolo Rally Rear Derailleur

I have a question about this derailleur. I notice that there are at least 3 generations that one can find for sale right now (are there more?). Is one generation preferable over another or are they the same in terms of capacity and performance?

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The first generation is NOT preferable if you're using it...it apparently was prone to breakage. The 2nd generation had a reinforced tab.
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And the third generation looked like a Nuovo Record body with a long cage, IIRC.
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And the third generation looked like a Nuovo Record body with a long cage, IIRC.
You might be thinking of the 2nd generation.

Here are velobase links to all three:

1st Gen: VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo Rally (1st generation, unreinforced hanger neck)

2nd gen: VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo Rally Touring (second generation; inline parallelogram)

3rd Gen: VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo Rally Racing (3rd Generation Rally)

And then there are many Nuovo Record RDs out there that have had the longer rally cages (or repros of them) added. That's the way I'd go if I was shopping for one these days. eBay asking prices are insane on these things. I bought my 2nd gen in the BF for sale thread for a reasonable price, but I'm almost afraid to use it now

BTW, it shifts 14-36 across 8 cogs easy-peasy on my Grandis:

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Door #4 is something to consider. Get a Nuovo Record derailleur, and swap out the cage. SOMA sells alpine cages for the purpose. Alpine converted NR RD were more common than Rally RD in my neck of the woods back when both could be bought new, so it's vintage authentic...


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Damn It's ugly though
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Door #4 is something to consider. Get a Nuovo Record derailleur, and swap out the cage. SOMA sells alpine cages for the purpose. Alpine converted NR RD were more common than Rally RD in my neck of the woods back when both could be bought new, so it's vintage authentic...


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So this option works well?
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You might be thinking of the 2nd generation.

Here are velobase links to all three:

1st Gen: VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo Rally (1st generation, unreinforced hanger neck)

2nd gen: VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo Rally Touring (second generation; inline parallelogram)

3rd Gen: VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo Rally Racing (3rd Generation Rally)

And then there are many Nuovo Record RDs out there that have had the longer rally cages (or repros of them) added. That's the way I'd go if I was shopping for one these days. eBay asking prices are insane on these things. I bought my 2nd gen in the BF for sale thread for a reasonable price, but I'm almost afraid to use it now

BTW, it shifts 14-36 across 8 cogs easy-peasy on my Grandis:

Must be the worn out jockey wheels helping… Those are Done.
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Door # 5 is best in terms of performance and value. Buy a Shimano or SunTour long cage derailleur. The 2nd generation Rally or installing a long cage on a NR/SR works, but not well.
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Door # 5 is best in terms of performance and value. Buy a Shimano or SunTour long cage derailleur.
This. IMHO a Suntour Vx-GT is as good looking as a Rally, and performs very well. Looks period correct too. You could buy seven or eight of them for the price of a used Rally.
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You really can't beat suntour long cage derailleurs if going friction in terms of price and performance.
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I'm in a minority on this, but I disagree with my esteemed Suntour friends; if your intention is truly practical/functional, get a newer bike. A big part, to me, of riding/owning these bikes is show/aesthetics...and there are bikes that look "right" with a Rally. I also frankly don't think the difference is as large as some others think (none of them work that well).

To me arguing over rally vs Suntour vs. Crane is like asking which bow and arrow is best.
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I agree that Suntour slant-parallelogram long cage RDs do work very well. But I must mention that I have NR's with long cage on the Masi and the Grandis. They work well too.
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+1 NR with long cages work perfectly fine. While I actually agree that Suntour are better, the difference is smaller IMHO than most people seem to think. Regardless the RD quality is swamped by the quality of chain and freewheel. Those are more important. You can modernize them and no one will know the difference except you when you shift. Setup and adjustment is also important. Align that hanger! It amazes me how people neglect this step.
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There were about 5 generations of Rallys. The first had the dropped parallelogram with a thin neck prone to breakage. The second had a reinforced neck. The third had the inline parallelogram supposedly because Suntour threatened a lawsuit. Subsequent generations went back to the dropped parallelogram with more C-Record like styling. I use a second gen Rally, with the reinforced neck, with a more modern freewheel and chain on my daily driver and it shifts just fine. No complaints and it looks right on my mid 70s Melton frame.
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Must be the worn out jockey wheels helping… Those are Done.
Heh, I didn't know it was a performance upgrade, but yeah, those things are pretty well worn!
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The difference between a Cyclone long cage RD and a Campy Rally is like going from a decent T5 transmission to an old 3 speed "crash box" trans with no synchros.
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Door # 5 is best in terms of performance and value. Buy a Shimano or SunTour long cage derailleur. The 2nd generation Rally or installing a long cage on a NR/SR works, but not well.
Yep, "back when" a ST V-GT or Shimano Crane GS were fitted for our customers requiring wide and/or triple gearing.
Never sold a Rally, for good reasons.

Schwinn adopted the Crane GS (as a Schwinn Approved model) for the Paramount triple crank P-15 models: 'nuff said.

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Thanks again, everybody. Tons of great information, here, that I really appreciate having.

The reason I am asking is that I am interested in this 70s vintage bike that has a Campy Nuovo Record rear derailleur on it. The accompanying freewheel is a 14-26 and in order to make the bike more serviceable for my needs I was considering my options. The Raleigh Super Course that I recently restored has a Suntour VG-T Luxe RD on it and it performs really well. However, on this other bike I am feeling that I would want to stick with Campy; hence the question about the Rally RD. On the other hand, I am kind of a stickler for performance.

Regarding the Campy Nuovo Record RD, I was on the Disraeli site and read what he had to say about it. I admit to being a bit confused about his commentary. Does this rear derailleur tend to underperform, then?
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The difference between a Cyclone long cage RD and a Campy Rally is like going from a decent T5 transmission to an old 3 speed "crash box" trans with no synchros.
Well, yeah, because the Cyclone had lots of little refinements like the pivoting housing hole, clean cable angles, etc.
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The first generation had two iterations. You can see the difference in the reinforced neck between these.





The second (third for the picky) was the in-line version show above.


The final iteration looked like this:




It is aesthetically nice, too. Thus, the insane high prices. It shifts nicely, too.


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Regarding the Campy Nuovo Record RD, I was on the Disraeli site and read what he had to say about it. I admit to being a bit confused about his commentary. Does this rear derailleur tend to underperform, then?
No. That guy reminds me of the geeky old farts that used to be in my bike club when I was racing. They'd drone on about how pretentious campy was, and how sugino/shimano/suntour is better, and how we were just suckers for buying that over priced junk. But after the first hill they were miles back and out of sight, and we didn't have to listen....

Anyhow, Disraeli can be mildly entertaining but don't take him too seriously.
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Two Campy NRs with long cages.



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The difference between a Cyclone long cage RD and a Campy Rally is like going from a decent T5 transmission to an old 3 speed "crash box" trans with no synchros.
IMHO, that's overstating it, by a lot. The Rally with a good 9-speed chain and a modern Hyperglide cassette is just fine. The two generations of Cyclones I currently have in use are both better, sure (especially with SunTour Power Shifters), but not by leaps and bounds.

But comparing current street prices, they are screaming bargains next to the Rally.

Thanks for the side-by-side pics, @LeicaLad. In my mind's eye, I was trying to picture the difference people were describing between Rally 1.0 and Rally 1.1, and that shot really tells the story.
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IMHO, that's overstating it, by a lot. The Rally with a good 9-speed chain and a modern Hyperglide cassette is just fine. The two generations of Cyclones I currently have in use are both better, sure (especially with SunTour Power Shifters), but not by leaps and bounds.

But comparing current street prices, they are screaming bargains next to the Rally.

Thanks for the side-by-side pics, @LeicaLad. In my mind's eye, I was trying to picture the difference people were describing between Rally 1.0 and Rally 1.1, and that shot really tells the story.
Sorry, even with a modern 8 speed chain, the Rally on my Trek is just plain fussy and loud. And there's no way it'll handle a 36 tooth cog. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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