Finding the right cleaner for the job
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Finding the right cleaner for the job
[pics of finished project on page 2]
Wanted to share a little anecdote while I have 5 minutes.
I'm a firm believer in "the right tool for the job". I recently picked up this Motobecane Grand Touring on the cheap, but it'd been in storage for a couple of decades (barn find).
Notice the thick coat of who knows what on it. None of my usual go-to items would do anything to it - dish soap/water, PB Blaster, Goo Gone, mineral spirits, only buffing compound worked, but the thought of buffing every stop and guide on the bike was daunting.
I rarely use Simple Green for anything. Check out the chainstay comparison after 30 seconds with Simple Green on a towel... still needs some work and I'll never get the stains out around the headset, but it'll still look sharp after some elbow grease.
Wanted to share a little anecdote while I have 5 minutes.
I'm a firm believer in "the right tool for the job". I recently picked up this Motobecane Grand Touring on the cheap, but it'd been in storage for a couple of decades (barn find).
Notice the thick coat of who knows what on it. None of my usual go-to items would do anything to it - dish soap/water, PB Blaster, Goo Gone, mineral spirits, only buffing compound worked, but the thought of buffing every stop and guide on the bike was daunting.
I rarely use Simple Green for anything. Check out the chainstay comparison after 30 seconds with Simple Green on a towel... still needs some work and I'll never get the stains out around the headset, but it'll still look sharp after some elbow grease.
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impressive.
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Very nice. I cannot wait to see the bike when it's all clean and lubed.
I find Simple Green to be one of the most versatile cleaners.
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I find Simple Green to be one of the most versatile cleaners.
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Might consider a toothbrush and Sinple Green. Gets it to those hard to reach places.
Nice find !
Nice find !
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WD-40 and 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper is worth a shot, too, for deep-seated grunge. Especially if you plan to follow up with rubbing compound, glaze and wax.
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I would have gone to the rubbing/polishing compound before trying Simple Green but that's impressive and a reminder to try them all (and WD40 is on the list too). You might want to track down Frank-the-welder's post in the archives about his restoration of a similar era Grand Record that had a lot of crackling/checking in the original paint. His came out very nice, your's looks like it will too and maybe easier!
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On bikes like that I spray the whole bike with Challenger, by Reliable Products, and rinse with a garden hose. Cuts thru all the dirt and grime.
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Beware Simple Green on the foil decals. But you already knew that.
That's a very 'clean' Moto, apart from the dirt.
That's a very 'clean' Moto, apart from the dirt.
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Try a Sonicare next time you change the brush head with the old one, maybe put the handle in a ziplock to protect it from the cleaner, which could be any of the aforementioned products. One of my favorites being Turtle wax rust remover.
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This will become a nice bike when you are done. Does it fill a spot in the stable?
Fantastic price to acquire it but you have put the work into it!
Fantastic price to acquire it but you have put the work into it!
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French touring frames w/Reynolds or Vitus tubing in my size have been and far between lately. The guy selling this one buys storage lockers and was selling a horde of bikes for $25/ea or $200 for all, it's 1020 tubing, but I can suffer w/it . There was what looked like a dark blue/chrome Windsor Carrera in the pile also for $25 which would've flipped nicely for a sizable profit, but I missed it by a few days.
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It does fill a spot, I like to have options and so I try to keep two touring bikes in the stable at all times. I'd been looking for a Grand Jubilé or Grand Touring in my size to replace one I should've never sold a few years back and compliment my Italvega Gran Turismo.
French touring frames w/Reynolds or Vitus tubing in my size have been and far between lately. The guy selling this one buys storage lockers and was selling a horde of bikes for $25/ea or $200 for all, it's 1020 tubing, but I can suffer w/it . There was what looked like a dark blue/chrome Windsor Carrera in the pile also for $25 which would've flipped nicely for a sizable profit, but I missed it by a few days.
French touring frames w/Reynolds or Vitus tubing in my size have been and far between lately. The guy selling this one buys storage lockers and was selling a horde of bikes for $25/ea or $200 for all, it's 1020 tubing, but I can suffer w/it . There was what looked like a dark blue/chrome Windsor Carrera in the pile also for $25 which would've flipped nicely for a sizable profit, but I missed it by a few days.
You find these old retro bikes suitable for touring? I just picked up a full original 79 Univega Gran Turismo that I've been cleaning up. I need to do cable and housing in the next couple weeks, but should be good.
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@francophile That's good to read. It does make a bike a keeper or long term member when it has a purpose to fill. I am in that predicament right now with my 77 Schwinn Le Tour II taking a place that my Dawes Galaxy held.
A horde of bikes is a great thing then. Wish they would gather around here!
Look forward to seeing it if you have a build thread.
A horde of bikes is a great thing then. Wish they would gather around here!
Look forward to seeing it if you have a build thread.
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I have a gaggle of pictures in my phone right now waiting to be put up and a sad lack of time to manage
"Touring" is a stretch, I'm in the heart of the city. I will say, they're damn comfy on the trail and make good work-mules for hauling, despite the lack of cantis. Needless to say, I'm not doing any cross-cities or cross-country treks on them.
You should post pics of your Gran Turismo. @3speedslow has my favorite color Lawee bike, brown (I need to check his build thread on it). Here's a pic of my Gran Turismo, I suck with picture taking, so I'm borrowing from the BF'er that sold it to me. It's a hair on the small-ish side for me, but I make it work
You should post pics of your Gran Turismo. @3speedslow has my favorite color Lawee bike, brown (I need to check his build thread on it). Here's a pic of my Gran Turismo, I suck with picture taking, so I'm borrowing from the BF'er that sold it to me. It's a hair on the small-ish side for me, but I make it work
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I had one that was worse.
This was after washing with dish soap and simple green. The fork was really bad with embedded crud, the simple green wouldn't get it out.
Rubbing compound brought it back to life.
This was after washing with dish soap and simple green. The fork was really bad with embedded crud, the simple green wouldn't get it out.
Rubbing compound brought it back to life.
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Great job on the cleanup. As a Johnny Come lately to the discussion i was going to recommend this Melaleuca product. It is the best and most gentle to painted surfaces cleaner I have ever used. Melaleuca oil is the key ingredient.
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Good to see and excellent work! I just picked up a white pearlescent mid-80s Schwinn Super Sport on the cheap (full Shimano 600, Tenax tubing) and it has tons of blemishes in the paint - I think it may be worse than yours. I'm still neck-deep in the Moto so I haven't had time to work on it. I'll take pics later. Hoping similar treatment will work on that one!
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Believe it or not, this bike was actually white when originally sold, French manuf'ers were clearcoating with something back in the 70s which yellowed significantly with time. Anyone that's ever owned one and taken brass wool (for example) to the chrome on a fork knows it, it hazes up the clearcoat - the fork crown on this one was brassy in color until the clear coating came off, it yellowed that much, I assume due to grease seeping out of the headset.
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Ok, here you go. Got this the other day, not cleaned up yet, got more important projects from last year in the queue to finish, a couple of BF'ers helped with parts and facilitation and I promised to get those done sooner than later.
This is technically my size, I was expecting a tank, noticed how light it was, noticed it was Tenax, thought, "Damn, this is a sleeper. I think I'll clean it up and give it a spin!"
Looks good from a distance (first pic), but when you get up close (second pic), you see what moist basement time can do. Those may be rust stains in the paint, but seems superficial, little spot rubbed out with some patience and PB blaster on the tip of a rag. Hope it comes close to your results!
This is technically my size, I was expecting a tank, noticed how light it was, noticed it was Tenax, thought, "Damn, this is a sleeper. I think I'll clean it up and give it a spin!"
Looks good from a distance (first pic), but when you get up close (second pic), you see what moist basement time can do. Those may be rust stains in the paint, but seems superficial, little spot rubbed out with some patience and PB blaster on the tip of a rag. Hope it comes close to your results!
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Sneak peek of what's up with this one... haven't had a lot of time to work on it, still helping a friend with a Trek he salvaged. But finally had time to clean the tape/bar/stem, wax the whole thing, repack it all, and polish out the alloy bits.
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Is that a super sport I spy?! Those are great riding bikes. Take that with a grain of salt as I am an official Tenax Schwinn junky. Nice snag. Keep us posted!