Sometimes Ebay delivers - Galmozzi
03-10-17, 07:05 AM
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Assuming it is a real Galmozzi (which I am sure it is) then two things - basic features and component dates and comparison to other examples. The basic features are all consistent with an early 70s bike - not a lot of braze-ons, single set of bottle cage studs on downtube, over the BB top cable guides but brazed on and not clamp on, 120mm rear spread, nutted brake mounts. Components all date to 72 or are consistent with 72 - PATENT 72 RD, FD with flat cage and no circlip on upper pivot, no date code crank arms, oval Milano logo Cinelli stem, 5 speed Regina freewheel. Brakes are not completely consistent with my 72 date. The drilled Super Record levers were out by 73 or so. The Gran Sport brakes didn't show up until the late 70s, certainly by the early 80s. The Galmozzi template didn't change much into the early 80s but they did adopt recessed brake mounting, brazed on shifter bosses and cable guides, etc. So I am pretty sure this is before 1980. I suspect the brakes and levers were replacements but they are the one question mark.
This bike matches very closely with this 70s Galmozzi on CR Galmozzi Jim Bolivar but is clearly earlier than this 80s galmozzi on CR Galmozzi 1983 bike
3-20170309_185133 by Jim Nusbaum, on Flickr
2-20170309_184812 by Jim Nusbaum, on Flickr
1-20170309_184803 by Jim Nusbaum, on Flickr
This bike matches very closely with this 70s Galmozzi on CR Galmozzi Jim Bolivar but is clearly earlier than this 80s galmozzi on CR Galmozzi 1983 bike
3-20170309_185133 by Jim Nusbaum, on Flickr2-20170309_184812 by Jim Nusbaum, on Flickr1-20170309_184803 by Jim Nusbaum, on Flickr
03-10-17, 08:40 AM
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I had a less ideal shipping experience with a Galmozzi!
Yours is nice...I saw her on eBay for a decent bit.
Yours is nice...I saw her on eBay for a decent bit.
03-10-17, 08:54 AM
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Wow. Congrats!
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03-10-17, 11:18 AM
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The Turin decal at the lower end of the seat tube looks like ones from the bike shop in Chicago - IIRC on N. Clark St. - that imported Galmozzis in the 1970s. There was a loose affiliation of higher end bike shops called Turin Group, and the Chicago location was its home base. I don't remember if that store went by the name Turin.
I worked at Rainbow Jersey in Milwaukee and bought and built up an iridescent green Galmozzi in the mid 70s.
At first the Galmozzi frames did not come with Columbus stickers, because it was supposed to be understand that Galmozzis were all built with Columbus - SP or SL? - but on request stickers were sent to the stores that had purchased the frames.
I worked at Rainbow Jersey in Milwaukee and bought and built up an iridescent green Galmozzi in the mid 70s.
At first the Galmozzi frames did not come with Columbus stickers, because it was supposed to be understand that Galmozzis were all built with Columbus - SP or SL? - but on request stickers were sent to the stores that had purchased the frames.
03-10-17, 04:16 PM
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Your bike arrived at Turin Bicycle 1932 N Clark, Chicago in July or August of 1973. I opened the crate. There was one shipment only. That frame went home with me, then after looking at it a day or two I decided the red was more than I could live with.
The Galmozzis were a special deal arranged through Cinelli. In 1973 absolutely no one had any idea what they were. Andre Cinelli told us they were wonderful and available immediately and he got us a good price. Availability was why we got them. It was not easy to find an Italian frame ready to sell in 1973. We heard the builder was a legend but we didn't know any details of the legend.
Looking at the frame now it appears classic. In 1973 it looked drab and plain compared to then current Italian standards. Most top frames were already 126mm, had recessed brake nuts, had brazed shifter bosses. Those frames were very difficult to sell. Most went to friends of store at or near cost. Those who took them had no notion what a deal they had.
All the Galmozzis arrived as bare frames. Components were up to the new owner. Nice to have a near date matched set of parts but means nothing in this case.
The Galmozzis were a special deal arranged through Cinelli. In 1973 absolutely no one had any idea what they were. Andre Cinelli told us they were wonderful and available immediately and he got us a good price. Availability was why we got them. It was not easy to find an Italian frame ready to sell in 1973. We heard the builder was a legend but we didn't know any details of the legend.
Looking at the frame now it appears classic. In 1973 it looked drab and plain compared to then current Italian standards. Most top frames were already 126mm, had recessed brake nuts, had brazed shifter bosses. Those frames were very difficult to sell. Most went to friends of store at or near cost. Those who took them had no notion what a deal they had.
All the Galmozzis arrived as bare frames. Components were up to the new owner. Nice to have a near date matched set of parts but means nothing in this case.
03-10-17, 04:38 PM
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I'm glad someone on BF got this bike, I had been lusting after it myself, but beyond my budget. I had assumed it was orange, as well, based on the seller's pics. Enjoy!
03-10-17, 05:05 PM
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One more detail about your Galmozzi. Memory is not perfect but I think there were sixteen frames. We looked at the crate and could not understand how sixteen frames could fit. Were there missing boxes somewhere? So I opened the top and looked. Then the crate was laid on its side, the cardboard and wood framing carefully peeled away. The frames were nested, or interleaved. No one had seen anything like this before. A few forks had some brown paper wrapping, only wrapped for a few inches where they contacted other frame tubes. Those forks were loose and were withdrawn, the nest of frames remained intact. It was paint-to-paint and it was all firm, unyielding. That nest of frames sat in the back room a week. Everyone stared at it. Everyone tried to figure it out. It was Davey Danek figured out what to do. He did it late at night. I mean late, I worked 'til midnight most nights and it was after that. Davey got them apart. In the morning we found a row of frames with forks where there had only been a puzzle. Davey said there was a fork that was the release mechanism. We had all wiggled every fork to no result. Some of the frames were visibly sprung while in the nest, when they came out all were perfectly aligned. No paint damage.
03-10-17, 06:00 PM
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Did all the Galmozzis that went to Turin Group shops come through the Chicago store first? Were they all in that one shipment you described above?
03-10-17, 06:20 PM
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Has to be one of the more interesting background stories to be mentioned here - nice to hear some of the history pertaining to this particular Galmozzi and the Chicago bike store that sold it. Anymore tidbits?
03-10-17, 06:32 PM
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03-10-17, 07:02 PM
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The Galmozzis we got at Rainbow Jersey thru the Turin Group did not have serial numbers. We had numeral dies and I stamped my birthdate (42349) on the bottom bracket of mine.
03-10-17, 07:39 PM
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Thank you so much for this information!!!!
Your bike arrived at Turin Bicycle 1932 N Clark, Chicago in July or August of 1973. I opened the crate. There was one shipment only. That frame went home with me, then after looking at it a day or two I decided the red was more than I could live with.
The Galmozzis were a special deal arranged through Cinelli. In 1973 absolutely no one had any idea what they were. Andre Cinelli told us they were wonderful and available immediately and he got us a good price. Availability was why we got them. It was not easy to find an Italian frame ready to sell in 1973. We heard the builder was a legend but we didn't know any details of the legend.
Looking at the frame now it appears classic. In 1973 it looked drab and plain compared to then current Italian standards. Most top frames were already 126mm, had recessed brake nuts, had brazed shifter bosses. Those frames were very difficult to sell. Most went to friends of store at or near cost. Those who took them had no notion what a deal they had.
All the Galmozzis arrived as bare frames. Components were up to the new owner. Nice to have a near date matched set of parts but means nothing in this case.
The Galmozzis were a special deal arranged through Cinelli. In 1973 absolutely no one had any idea what they were. Andre Cinelli told us they were wonderful and available immediately and he got us a good price. Availability was why we got them. It was not easy to find an Italian frame ready to sell in 1973. We heard the builder was a legend but we didn't know any details of the legend.
Looking at the frame now it appears classic. In 1973 it looked drab and plain compared to then current Italian standards. Most top frames were already 126mm, had recessed brake nuts, had brazed shifter bosses. Those frames were very difficult to sell. Most went to friends of store at or near cost. Those who took them had no notion what a deal they had.
All the Galmozzis arrived as bare frames. Components were up to the new owner. Nice to have a near date matched set of parts but means nothing in this case.
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03-10-17, 07:44 PM
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I was actually going to send a picture of the bike off to the Chicago store and see if they had any records. I think the same people still own the store (and the Denver store) as owned it in 1973. So fantastic to get this story. I have saved it away to be passed along with the bike when it leaves my hands.
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03-11-17, 04:09 AM
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Blue Devil - Absolutely, contact Lee Katz at the Chicago store. He will have memory more than records.
altenwrencher - So Rainbow Jersey had more than one? Interesting. You had taste. You also got a screaming deal. The price was basically invoice plus customs plus freight plus 10% or 15% for overhead. Should have been 50% or better for all the time and machination that went into getting something like those frames. Just to cover our costs. Did you buy them straight out of Lee's hands or were you on the phone with me?
What you are calling Turin Group was nominally a purchasers co-op, in practice a normal wholesale distributor with a preferred customers list and a level of collegiality. I remember Rainbow as a tiny account. Cannot even recall names, we probably spoke less than once a week. The Gals were strictly purchased for store inventory in Chicago, when it became clear they were slow sellers they were quietly offered to some of the other stores. Few had any interest. If not saleable in Chicago why would they sell in the hinterlands? And they had arrived too late in the season. It was late July, they were part of a shipment that arrived just in time for Nationals at Northbrook.
Strictly a one shot deal brokered by Cinelli. Then there was a bankruptcy and, well, an interruption. I honestly have no idea if Galmozzi ever had another American outlet. The numbers of bikes around says maybe, or maybe riders simply brought them home from the vacation in Italy.
By contrast two weeks later, impossibly late in the season for a bike shop to be loading up on high price inventory, we finally got the long awaited Colnago shipment. They were way flashier than the Colnagos available through Mel Pinto that year. Chrome and decals and colors. Sold as fast as they could be unwrapped. Bikes and frames all sold on day one and day two. Customers attempting to outbid each other.
altenwrencher - So Rainbow Jersey had more than one? Interesting. You had taste. You also got a screaming deal. The price was basically invoice plus customs plus freight plus 10% or 15% for overhead. Should have been 50% or better for all the time and machination that went into getting something like those frames. Just to cover our costs. Did you buy them straight out of Lee's hands or were you on the phone with me?
What you are calling Turin Group was nominally a purchasers co-op, in practice a normal wholesale distributor with a preferred customers list and a level of collegiality. I remember Rainbow as a tiny account. Cannot even recall names, we probably spoke less than once a week. The Gals were strictly purchased for store inventory in Chicago, when it became clear they were slow sellers they were quietly offered to some of the other stores. Few had any interest. If not saleable in Chicago why would they sell in the hinterlands? And they had arrived too late in the season. It was late July, they were part of a shipment that arrived just in time for Nationals at Northbrook.
Strictly a one shot deal brokered by Cinelli. Then there was a bankruptcy and, well, an interruption. I honestly have no idea if Galmozzi ever had another American outlet. The numbers of bikes around says maybe, or maybe riders simply brought them home from the vacation in Italy.
By contrast two weeks later, impossibly late in the season for a bike shop to be loading up on high price inventory, we finally got the long awaited Colnago shipment. They were way flashier than the Colnagos available through Mel Pinto that year. Chrome and decals and colors. Sold as fast as they could be unwrapped. Bikes and frames all sold on day one and day two. Customers attempting to outbid each other.
03-11-17, 11:45 AM
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Rainbow Jersey had only the one, possibly two, Galmozzis as I recall. At that time I was a fairly new employee, salesman and mechanic. It was owner Jerry Pearce who had the business relationship with Turin in Chicago and with Yellow Jersey in Madison.
The Galmozzi frame was priced at $270. We used parts of white nylon headsets to hold the forks in place on it and a few other frames. After some months - a year? - I bought the frame, built it up "full Campy," built wheels with Super Champion rims and Barum tubulars, put on a Cinelli "buffalo butt" saddle, etc. the manner of the times. It was my first and only racing bike.
I met one other Gal owner some years later at a bike ride in WI. His name was Joe Wright and he lived somewhere in IL west of Chicago. Maybe he bought his at Turin.
The Galmozzi frame was priced at $270. We used parts of white nylon headsets to hold the forks in place on it and a few other frames. After some months - a year? - I bought the frame, built it up "full Campy," built wheels with Super Champion rims and Barum tubulars, put on a Cinelli "buffalo butt" saddle, etc. the manner of the times. It was my first and only racing bike.
I met one other Gal owner some years later at a bike ride in WI. His name was Joe Wright and he lived somewhere in IL west of Chicago. Maybe he bought his at Turin.
03-11-17, 11:55 AM
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Blue Devil - Absolutely, contact Lee Katz at the Chicago store. He will have memory more than records.
altenwrencher - So Rainbow Jersey had more than one? Interesting. You had taste. You also got a screaming deal. The price was basically invoice plus customs plus freight plus 10% or 15% for overhead. Should have been 50% or better for all the time and machination that went into getting something like those frames. Just to cover our costs. Did you buy them straight out of Lee's hands or were you on the phone with me?
What you are calling Turin Group was nominally a purchasers co-op, in practice a normal wholesale distributor with a preferred customers list and a level of collegiality. I remember Rainbow as a tiny account. Cannot even recall names, we probably spoke less than once a week. The Gals were strictly purchased for store inventory in Chicago, when it became clear they were slow sellers they were quietly offered to some of the other stores. Few had any interest. If not saleable in Chicago why would they sell in the hinterlands? And they had arrived too late in the season. It was late July, they were part of a shipment that arrived just in time for Nationals at Northbrook.
Strictly a one shot deal brokered by Cinelli. Then there was a bankruptcy and, well, an interruption. I honestly have no idea if Galmozzi ever had another American outlet. The numbers of bikes around says maybe, or maybe riders simply brought them home from the vacation in Italy.
By contrast two weeks later, impossibly late in the season for a bike shop to be loading up on high price inventory, we finally got the long awaited Colnago shipment. They were way flashier than the Colnagos available through Mel Pinto that year. Chrome and decals and colors. Sold as fast as they could be unwrapped. Bikes and frames all sold on day one and day two. Customers attempting to outbid each other.
altenwrencher - So Rainbow Jersey had more than one? Interesting. You had taste. You also got a screaming deal. The price was basically invoice plus customs plus freight plus 10% or 15% for overhead. Should have been 50% or better for all the time and machination that went into getting something like those frames. Just to cover our costs. Did you buy them straight out of Lee's hands or were you on the phone with me?
What you are calling Turin Group was nominally a purchasers co-op, in practice a normal wholesale distributor with a preferred customers list and a level of collegiality. I remember Rainbow as a tiny account. Cannot even recall names, we probably spoke less than once a week. The Gals were strictly purchased for store inventory in Chicago, when it became clear they were slow sellers they were quietly offered to some of the other stores. Few had any interest. If not saleable in Chicago why would they sell in the hinterlands? And they had arrived too late in the season. It was late July, they were part of a shipment that arrived just in time for Nationals at Northbrook.
Strictly a one shot deal brokered by Cinelli. Then there was a bankruptcy and, well, an interruption. I honestly have no idea if Galmozzi ever had another American outlet. The numbers of bikes around says maybe, or maybe riders simply brought them home from the vacation in Italy.
By contrast two weeks later, impossibly late in the season for a bike shop to be loading up on high price inventory, we finally got the long awaited Colnago shipment. They were way flashier than the Colnagos available through Mel Pinto that year. Chrome and decals and colors. Sold as fast as they could be unwrapped. Bikes and frames all sold on day one and day two. Customers attempting to outbid each other.
I'm hoping CDM will contribute to the discussion on import volume.
03-11-17, 12:43 PM
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Here's a charming video (fun Italian jazz music) of a Galmozzi being painted at its home in Milano, Italy.
If the link doesn't work, try Google YouTube Galmozzi Restoration.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...49397726,d.amc
If the link doesn't work, try Google YouTube Galmozzi Restoration.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...49397726,d.amc
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