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Old 05-06-17, 04:06 PM
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The guys at my LBS liked the fade. We weighed it there at 27 lbs 15 oz. What do you think?
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Originally Posted by sdn40
Kind of sad that the conversation about how to make the bike less desirable has become like talking about going to the store and buying milk.
Amazing what us humans become numb to. Makes me sad that we live in a world where such lengths need to be taken because of others lack of morales.
No, it's mostly campus community culture and not much more. Bicycles, wheels, components are often considered just community property. I recall a upscale fancy island town I used to visit that had the same attitude; bicycles belonged to everyone, leave one unattended and it was gone...maybe you'd find it week later on someone else's lawn.
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Originally Posted by FrenchFit
No, it's mostly campus community culture and not much more. Bicycles, wheels, components are often considered just community property. I recall a upscale fancy island town I used to visit that had the same attitude; bicycles belonged to everyone, leave one unattended and it was gone...maybe you'd find it week later on someone else's lawn.
Are their any references or documentation of the acceptance of this "community culture"? Can anyone actually justify such a thing? It is of course nothing but theft.

Components- I think I will just use this nice Nuevo Record rear derailleur for a while.

Wheels- I will just appropriate this wheel with the Record hubs and Mavic rims.

Bicycle-This Trek will take me to the beach today.

I would love to read of any individual or group advocating this kind of community property. A few years ago, Austin's bicycle co-op, the Yellow Bike Project, spread ugly yellow painted old bikes around town as community property. They eventually had to discontinue this program. The ugly yellow bicycle shaped objects were all stolen.
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Back when I was in college, in the 1980's, I lived in a house that was abandoned by the Frat community. It was a tired rental property, in a tired neighborhood, but it was close to school and set up for multi people cohabitation. So, we had a dozen dudes living in the same house, with almost all of us owning a bicycle. I can only recall a single dude who hadn't had a bike stolen while on campus or our neighborhood near campus, and it might have been because he didn't own one (he was a cowboy farmer sorta dude). The police culture on campus put out zero effort to recover stolen bicycles, so it pointless to even report one stolen. No one ever had their bicycle recovered, and the campus police scoffed at you for their effort they had to put out to even let you report a stolen bicycle. And it may have been pointless to "ugly up" your bicycle, because maybe part of the reason for stealing them in the first place was just the thrill seeking. It's a good example of why creating laws isn't enough... you actually have to enforce them. That was my experience; I'm sure others had theirs, which may or may not match mine.
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I'm trying to think of another piece of property that's treated like bikes when it comes to theft. I understand the thief's point of view - they're readily available, easily and quickly resold, valuable enough to justify stealing, but not generally valuable enough to get law enforcement or even most owners too outraged. I think the general population, and most law enforcement, see bikes as kind of a frivolous thing, that kids ride, or that are cheap exercise equipment that most people buy and don't use. How many people have a bike or three in their garage or basement, that they haven't ridden in years, and wouldn't miss if they disappeared? If my car or jewelry or watch are stolen, people can relate, they can see themselves as a victim, and they want to stop it. But another bike goes missing? Shoulders shrug.

Also bikes are a pain to easily secure, especially since they're meant (for many people) to be convenient ways to get around quickly, and hauling 5 pounds of locks and cables around, and using them properly, is a PITA. And it's rare that the thief needs to commit breaking and entering, or even trespassing -- just cruise the right public spots, and pick off the low-hanging fruit. Plus the bike is it's own get-away mechanism. It's a lot easier to ride away, indistinguishable from a legit owner, compared to hauling a big screen TV our a window and down the street.

When I was a kid in lower-middle class neighborhoods, bike theft was a constant problem. Often it was a 'tough kid' who was known to steal the bike, and he often got away with it just because no one wanted to create a neighborhood conflict. It's not a new problem. Another issue, as it relates to this thread, is the campus environment. I always felt safe on campus, as I think most kids do, but the reality is that there's a fair amount of crime there, especially sexual assaults, and I think there's a bit of an unspoken conspiracy amount higher ed types to de-emphasize that. Plus most college kids live in tiny spaces, where there's no room to keep a bike inside) I don't think it's a change in morals, I think bikes have been stolen from the early days of their production, and I think college campuses have been places of low-level crime tolerance pretty much forever. Look at how the outrage over frat house hazing incidents is a recurrent issue, and yet somehow it never changes. You have underage drinking, fairly rampant drug use, cheating on coursework, and all manner of other illegal/immoral 'rites of passage' that going on regularly. And there's even something of a resentment of seemingly 'rich kids' among many students, so stealing someone's nice bike is just giving them what they deserve, since mommy and daddy probably bought that bike for them (to paraphrase the attitude I heard from a few fellow students BITD). And, frankly, a lot of co

I'm not trying to justify bike theft, on or off campus, just look at the bigger picture, and why it's not as big a deal to most people as it is to us.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
Are their any references or documentation of the acceptance of this "community culture"? Can anyone actually justify such a thing? It is of course nothing but theft.

Components- I think I will just use this nice Nuevo Record rear derailleur for a while.

Wheels- I will just appropriate this wheel with the Record hubs and Mavic rims.

Bicycle-This Trek will take me to the beach today.

I would love to read of any individual or group advocating this kind of community property. A few years ago, Austin's bicycle co-op, the Yellow Bike Project, spread ugly yellow painted old bikes around town as community property. They eventually had to discontinue this program. The ugly yellow bicycle shaped objects were all stolen.
LOL. You in Texas? OK, well, in the Judeo-Christian world it probably began with that Jesus guy. Lots of quotes you can look at, like: “And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need” ..gospel of Luke I believe...

Lots of churches were you live I suspect. Have at 'em.
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Originally Posted by FrenchFit
LOL. You in Texas? OK, well, in the Judeo-Christian world it probably began with that Jesus guy. Lots of quotes you can look at, like: “And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need” ..gospel of Luke I believe...

Lots of churches were you live I suspect. Have at 'em.
Well FF,
It is true that some of the early Christians pooled their resources and shared everything. They did this by agreement not behind each other's backs. They still lived by God's Law, one of them the Eighth Commandment:

Thou shalt not steal.
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It is true that some of the early Christians pooled their resources and shared everything. They did this by agreement not behind each other's backs. They still lived by God's Law, one of them the Eighth Commandment:

Thou shalt not steal.
God's Law?; meaning the Old Testament, based on the Hebrew Bible? So, you are of the Jewish faith?

Well, I think we are verging of violating BF's Law in continuing this discussion.
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Originally Posted by FrenchFit
God's Law?; meaning the Old Testament, based on the Hebrew Bible? So, you are of the Jewish faith?

Well, I think we are verging of violating BF's Law in continuing this discussion.

Jesus said he came to uphold the law not to change it. The Ten Commandments remained God's Law in the New Testament. I am a Christian.
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I think you asked, "...show me references..", of any group advocating this ideology. So, I responded.

How about this one: "Stolen water is sweet." Proverbs.

The idea of community property has been around for ages.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
I was very surprised to hear my son say that he needs a bike for college. He has never had the slightest interest in bicycles and seemed to hold a certain disdain for them.

Like most of the later millenials, he was carried by car wherever he needed to go. He had a little Giant MTB when he was about 6 and later I got him the 76 Super Course that now belongs to his mother. He rarely rode either. He got a truck to drive when he was 17 and will be taking this to to Texas Tech this fall.

It was after a recent college visit that he let me know of his newfound need for a bike. Tech has one of the biggest campuses in the country and it would be a long walk from his dorm to some classes. So, that has got me thinking...

I would like to find something for him that would do the job and perhaps help him to enjoy and appreciate a bicycle. I was thinking a nice lightweight frame and wheelset, but perhaps not so nicely finished so that it would be a magnet for theft. Now Lubbock is pretty much billiard table flat so that even a single speed or internal gear hub might work. A rack on the rear to bungee a backpack and a good lock would complete it. The dorm rooms are small and he may need to park this outside.

He is about 5'10" and about 225, an offensive lineman in high school and is very strong. He is open on what we get, saying that he just wants to see a picture before I buy it. I have until mid August to get something together.

I would love to hear your ideas and see some examples of how the college students are getting to class these days on C&V bikes.
I don't have any advice, but......I will be in Lubbock that weekend for a wedding. Native Texan with lots of relatives spread throughout West Texas. The groom, my nephew, is one of the debate coaches at TT.
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I love the bike! Don't change a thing. Paint looks like custom tie dye! Has your son seen it yet?
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I love the bike! Don't change a thing. Paint looks like custom tie dye! Has your son seen it yet?
Thanks Velocivixen. He has seen it. I have not been able to get him to try it out yet.
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Originally Posted by FrenchFit
I think you asked, "...show me references..", of any group advocating this ideology. So, I responded.

How about this one: "Stolen water is sweet." Proverbs.

The idea of community property has been around for ages.

Would you advocate the use of your bicycles as community property?
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
He went for a visit and saw all the good looking young women riding around on bikes.

" It's a good thing "

I'm betting that many of them already have parking spots too
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Originally Posted by FrenchFit
God's Law?; meaning the Old Testament, based on the Hebrew Bible? So, you are of the Jewish faith?

Well, I think we are verging of violating BF's Law in continuing this discussion.

I think you are thinking too hard. Cheetodude is not a bike.
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Would you advocate the use of your bicycles as community property?
I certainly wouldn't. Christ, on the other hand, certainly would. He's pretty up front about it, according to all the gospels. A lot of Christians miss this point. It's something you'd think more of them would understand.
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Would you advocate the use of your bicycles as community property?
Yes and no. In the yes column, I had a Schwinn Tandem I parked in front of the house Sat/Sun, invited the neighbors on the block to jump on, take it for a ride during the weekend whenever they felt like it. I think ride share is a something of a variation on this theme, my daughter is paying for her new car by driving for Lyft, you could say her community of riders is sharing her new car...though that's stretching the concept of community property quite a bit.

Mostly, no.
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Call me crazy but community property is funded by the community. A bike that I purchase with my money is personal property. What's next, somebody thinking my car is community property ?
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I would like to find something for him that would do the job and perhaps help him to enjoy and appreciate a bicycle. I was thinking a nice lightweight frame and wheelset, but perhaps not so nicely finished so that it would be a magnet for theft. Now Lubbock is pretty much billiard table flat so that even a single speed or internal gear hub might work. A rack on the rear to bungee a backpack and a good lock would complete it. The dorm rooms are small and he may need to park this outside.
My experience being in your situation is that kids treat bikes at college very shabbily indeed. They sit out in the rain, they don't get taken care of, and nice ones get stolen. So forget the nice vintage frame. There's nothing at the end of that road but heartbreak and disappointment.
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So whatever you get off craigslist for $50 isn't an option?
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So whatever you get off craigslist for $50 isn't an option?

At this moment my plan is for him to take the $40 Trek 930 to college. Hopefully I can resist the urge to make changes to it.
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At this moment my plan is for him to take the $40 Trek 930 to college. Hopefully I can resist the urge to make changes to it.
The only change I would make is to the grips if you had any halfway decent ones lying around. Those ones look like if it even thinks about raining they would be useless. Other than that it's kinda a beautiful bike. The fade is great and it screams utility, I've been thinking about getting a rigid mtb to use as a no investment commuter.
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The only change I would make is to the grips if you had any halfway decent ones lying around. Those ones look like if it even thinks about raining they would be useless. Other than that it's kinda a beautiful bike. The fade is great and it screams utility, I've been thinking about getting a rigid mtb to use as a no investment commuter.
CB750, you are right about those grips. They are rather cheap looking. I am fighting an urge to install drop bars and bar end shifters.
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