Campagnolo Rally and Turismo
07-25-17, 10:39 AM
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Campagnolo Rally and Turismo
I have heard mixed reviews on these derailleurs. I love Campagnolo, but if I want to run 32t freewheel, are either of these worth using? Or should I stick with a SunTour GT derailleur for my vintage builds? I suppose I could add longer arms to a Nuovo Record...
What are your thoughts on any of these solutions if I want to stay Campy?
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What are your thoughts on any of these solutions if I want to stay Campy?
Thanks - Chris
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07-25-17, 11:46 AM
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07-25-17, 11:52 AM
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I have heard mixed reviews on these derailleurs. I love Campagnolo, but if I want to run 32t freewheel, are either of these worth using? Or should I stick with a SunTour GT derailleur for my vintage builds? I suppose I could add longer arms to a Nuovo Record...
What are your thoughts on any of these solutions if I want to stay Campy?
Thanks - Chris
What are your thoughts on any of these solutions if I want to stay Campy?
Thanks - Chris
with a long cage. It works fine with a 32.
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I had a first generation Rally. It required a lot of overshifting, and it wasn't very fast. It looks gorgeous, though.
The Gran Turismo was a very bad derailleur. Not only was it imprecise, it would also randomly shift without any input.
The Gran Turismo was a very bad derailleur. Not only was it imprecise, it would also randomly shift without any input.
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07-25-17, 12:33 PM
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They are completely fine if you are a casual rider like myself. I don't care if shifting performance is a little sub-optimal since I myself am a LOT sub-optimal for riding. They work just fine, in other words, but aren't the crispest or lightest thing out there.
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07-25-17, 12:46 PM
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Thanks for the input. I may try to get a Rally. I acquired an NOS Gran Turismo, so I might try it to see what I think. But I have heard its the worst derailleur they ever made, so I am second guessing myself. 
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If you have a full campy bike, I'd just get the soma long arms and save yourself the big bucks that a rally will cost you.
There are some hills in that part of the state.
There are some hills in that part of the state.
07-25-17, 02:11 PM
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The Rallye looks terrific.
Too bad it's shifting performance is similar to that of an unsynchronized truck transmission.
Too bad it's shifting performance is similar to that of an unsynchronized truck transmission.
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07-25-17, 02:37 PM
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Well I do have a good hill bike, but want them all to have the capability. Where are you in Iowa?
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I have not. Only my second year in Iowa. Last year I had no bike (due to the pending move) and just have not ridden enough this year. Next year I hope to do at least part of RAGBRAI and maybe this one as well.
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If you care about period correctness and you want the best shifting on a five speed freewheel with wide range and a 32T large sprocket, the obvious choice is a SunTour VGT. It's what we did back in the day, and it's still the smart choice.
07-25-17, 04:57 PM
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Death fork? Naaaah!!
On the third day of a three day ride I swapped out a Suntour V-GT and was much happier with the shifting.
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07-25-17, 05:38 PM
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I had a Campy Gran Turismo on my Atala Competezione, 1980-81. It couldn't shift a 14-28 freewheel decently. I think I replaced it with a Suntour in the Summer of 1981 and had a Summer of good shifting. Some SOB stole the bike on Labor Day of that year.
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The Rally derailleur came in several, quite different versions. The first generation was a decent unit, quite similar in form and function to a long-cage Shimano Crane derailleur (this is actually version 1a, which added a small gusset to the narrow neck between the upper pivot and derailleur body):
Version 2 was a step back; basically a Nuovo Record derailleur with a long cage. Putting the Soma cage on a Nuovo Record derailleur essentially creates a Rally v2 derailleur. They work ok, but not as well as version 1:
Version 3 was a new design, and came out after SunTour's patent on the slant pantograph expired. It reverted to having both upper and lower pivots sprung, as in the first version, and also incorporated the slant pantograph. This gave it the best performance of all the Rally iterations. This combination of two sprung pivots and a slant pantograph is found on nearly all modern derailleurs:
The Gran Turismo is to be avoided for any purpose other than a curiosity.
Version 2 was a step back; basically a Nuovo Record derailleur with a long cage. Putting the Soma cage on a Nuovo Record derailleur essentially creates a Rally v2 derailleur. They work ok, but not as well as version 1:
Version 3 was a new design, and came out after SunTour's patent on the slant pantograph expired. It reverted to having both upper and lower pivots sprung, as in the first version, and also incorporated the slant pantograph. This gave it the best performance of all the Rally iterations. This combination of two sprung pivots and a slant pantograph is found on nearly all modern derailleurs:
The Gran Turismo is to be avoided for any purpose other than a curiosity.
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I have a 1st gen Ralley on my most recent acquisition and while I haven't put a lot of mile on it so far, I like it!
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07-26-17, 09:10 AM
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I have a SunTour on my Mercian, so I understand. I was hoping my new build would be all Campy, but really want the wider range on the freewheel, so I a may just go with the SunTour. However, out of curiosity, I might just try the Turismo first... 
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My v1 Rally broke at the top knuckle. I've been told this happened a lot.
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07-26-17, 09:36 AM
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I believe there was a v1, and then due to this problem they updated it, call it v1.1, with a reinforcement for this area. If looking for a v1 it's best to look for the v1.1.
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I vote Suntour.
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