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Old 07-02-05, 04:10 PM   #1
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French: Reynolds 531 decals?

I would like to restore a French bike made in the end of the seventies. It is a: Francesco Moser "champion du monde 1976". The Reynolds 531 frameset has two Reynolds 531 decals in French. One on the frame and one on the fork. I would like to have the frameset re-sprayed and I wonder if there is any chance to find new decals?

I have seen British Reynolds 531 decals on, for instance, eBay but never these French ones.

Here is a couple of pics of the frameset:
http://monoform.com/temporar/moser.html

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Old 07-02-05, 07:24 PM   #2
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I've been looking for them too. I have a Peugeot PX-10 and a Gitane TdF that need them. I bought some on eBay. They're not only in the wrong language, but they're too big.
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Most Moser's I have seen are Italian. very unique. The brakes most likely were Mafac center pulls, probably Racers or Competitions. The Racers are cheap enough, the Competitions are not. Could easily have had Simplex Criterium derailleurs or LJ's. Simplex or no name seatpost. Pedals, Lyotard or Atom's.

French language 531 decals are notorious for being fragile. Reproductions show up from from time to time on ebay.

The geometry looks French, some of my favorite bikes are.

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Old 07-03-05, 04:52 PM   #4
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Dirtdrop, I have seen the British Reynolds 531-decals on eBay and they look both different and bigger than the French ones.

Thank you kindly, number6, for the info about possible components. Very useful.
I sure would love to restore it to its former prime. Though these older French bikes are notorious for bad paint and chrome so something has to be done.

The French Francesco Moser brand seem unusual. I have tried to find out more about it. People have seen it now and then but no one seem to know much about it. I gather it was around before he started to making bikes in Italy.

When you say that the geometry looks French, what exactly do you mean, what are the French characteristics?

Interesting subject, I would really like to learn more about frame geometry. Any tip where I might learn more would be most appreciated.

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Often, but not universal, French frames of the 70's had higher bottom brackets than Italian frames, longer chainstays, shallower head and seat angles. Too keep the trail in check a bit less fork rake often, as your frame apears to have. While not having measured it directly I bet the bottom bracket drop is less than 70mm, primary frame angles are 72 or 72 30" fork rake 45mm or less.

At the time the Italians were using 73 or more, and 75mm of BB drop. And starting to move to shorter top tubes for a given "production" size than the French.

While not set in stone, that is what one often found.

A lot of the small shop English builders were experimenting with short wheelbase steep angle high BB bikes. I had one with a 37.25" wheelbase and the BB was higher than my track bike.

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Old 07-04-05, 06:00 PM   #6
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Thank you!

Yes, you are correct. The BB drop is 65mm. I will be back as soon as I have measured the other angles (and first learned what they are

Thank you again,
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Old 07-04-05, 08:20 PM   #7
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The "Champion du Monde 1976" is reference to Moser's Pursuit World Championship. Yet, in 1977 he won the even more prestigious Pro Road World Championship. It's hard to imagine they would not put both World Championship victories on the frame, if it was built in 1980. It almost makes me think that the frame might be a late 1976 or 1977 model. The frame certainly looks older than 1980, given the total lack of brazed-on fittings, except for a cable stop on the chain stay. Also, by 1980 most bicycles of this level had switched to side-pull brakes, yet this clearly has a hanger for centre-pull brakes. Maybe the person bought the frame around 1980, but it had hung in the shop for a few years? But then, the Moser website indicates that they started production in 1979! Hmm....
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Old 07-05-05, 03:30 AM   #8
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Francesco Moser started his own label in Italy 1979. This one is from France. It is a different label. The French company was not owned by him.
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If you can come up with a halfway decent image of the correct decal, I can redraw it and give you a vector file to take to a decal printer.
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Cycles d' Oro has some images of Reynolds decals. Not sure if they are good enough to do a repop from, but here is the URL;

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...ds_gallery.htm
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Old 07-06-05, 08:13 AM   #11
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Yeah, those are good enough to work from. I just need to know which one it is, and what the actual dimensions are.
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It should be the second one in the 60's-70's group. The French language one. If anyone gets these reproduced, I need two for my early seventies Gitane TdF's, and one for my early seventies Peugeot PX-10.
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Okay, what are the actual dimensions of the decal?
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Best as I can measure the one on my Gitane, it is 1 & 9/16" wide by 1" tall.
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Thanks; I'll see if I can't get it done in the next few days.
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Old 07-06-05, 05:35 PM   #16
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Most kind of you, much appreciated!

I have measured the contours of the decal on the frame:
Width = 55mm
Height = 50mm

The one on the fork is 95% gone so I cannot help you there. However, I have found a, somewhat fuzzy, picture of it in the forum:

http://monoform.com/temporar/frenchr...531decals.html

I have contacted: lerad, the guy who took these pictures asking if he could take a few close-ups of the decals and also to measure them. Here is the link to his original message:
Pics of PXN10E58 Peugeot.

Thanks again,
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Old 07-06-05, 08:20 PM   #17
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I would be in for a set (1-frame and 2-fork) of these for my 69 PX-10.
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Terrific -- I'll set them up as a set; two forks and one frame.

If you guys who want a set would e-mail me, it'd help me keep from forgetting anybody.
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Okay, how do these look?

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Beautiful! A set is one of each. I need two sets. I'll send you an email.
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Wouldn't you need two of the triangular decals, one for each fork blade?
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My Peugeox and Gitane have the triangular fork decal on one side only. As far as I know, Reynolds issued one of each per frameset. I could be wrong, it happens once in a while.
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I'll take your word for it; I've never owned a French 531 bike.
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I have sent you a mail.

I must thank you once more for your generous offer and for your excellent illustrations!

As I am mentioning in the mail to you; the decal on my frame is however not the same as the one you so beautifully have depicted. I have the same one as: "lerad" has on his Peugeot. I can only hope that he will honor my request and send me some photos. Naturally, I will use the one from you if he do not.

I have added more photos of my frameset (at the bottom of the page):
http://monoform.com/temporar/moser.html

Thanks again
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My Peugeots have (or had) the 531 decals on both sides of the fork. Model years 67,72, and I really can't tell on the 73. My Lejuene has the 531 decal (what's left of it) on one side only (the other may have completely disintegrated). Who knows?

The decals on the 67 are a markedly different colour on the "531". Colour might have been different or the colour was fugitive.
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