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Old 07-11-05, 10:21 PM   #1
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pinarello questions

You guys probably think I've been up here in the backwoods working on my still or something, but I've been busy searching the woods for a new project, and I found one. A Pinarello, late 80's, supposed to be SL (no decals at all), but I think that it would be a Treviso, if properly represented to me.

Once, in a fit of complete foolishness, I sold my dura ace Montello and have pined for it ever since, so now I have an opportunity to make things better in my garage. A couple of questions: what is the appropriate group for a Treviso (the Montello was a dura ace bike, but I never felt right about that); and, is there a way that I can tell whether the bike is truly built with SL? I have an accurate scale if that'd help...

Thanks in advance for yer esteemed opinions - the mash is still cookin', btw...
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Time for some images. I have a Montello with original Treviso decals, only the guy in the decal room knows for sure. Tubing guage is often dependent on frame size, a scale will only be of limited use as there are too many variables, BB shell weight, frame size. Some frames had mixed guages. It is what it is.

Purchased mine essentially as a NOS bike, the wear parts and anno rims looked as never used. It now sits as a frame set, I purchased it for use to pull a trailer due to the chrome stays, but the chainstays were too short, heel would catch. It had pantoed Campagnolo SR reduced & 3ttt.

What length stem do you require?

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I have a Montello with original Treviso decals, only the guy in the decal room knows for sure.
I thought the Montello came with SLX tubing and the Treviso with SL, which should make it really to tell which model you have, by looking in the bottom braket and checking the tube ends for the SLX's spiral ridges.


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what is the appropriate group for a Treviso (the Montello was a dura ace bike, but I never felt right about that); and, is there a way that I can tell whether the bike is truly built with SL? .
I have some Pinarello specs from the late 1980s. Even as late as 1989, it was listed with SL. Through 1987 it had a Campagnolo SR group. For 1988 & 1989 it is listed with Chorus.
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some images. I don't have the frame yet, but this may provide enough info to work with. The blue paint is model paint, camoflaging the chrome, which the guy says is in excellent shape.
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My father would have called that paint-itus, guy could not stop with the fork crown had to hit the top eyes as well. Sould remove with some careful work. Perhaps that handiwork made the frame more reasonable in price, a good thing. Typical fragile Pinarello decals, they do show up from time to time. It will be interesting to see what the top tube length is, mine is too short for my taste.

It should tell you, "use only Campagnolo", isn't it stamped into the BB? wink, wink, nudge nudge...
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The paint is coming off. Goof-off and elbow grease. It is three part: chrome, white base coat, and transparent blue overcoat. The white is arranged to provide a little trim line where the paint ends and the chrome starts, and that little white line is suffering a little. The guy also painted the left rear chainstay. Completely. I haven't started on that yet, but the rest of the chrome is okay. I'll get frame measurements after work.

It looks like '91' is worked into the serial number, so that'd probably be Chorus, no?

I use 110-120 stem length - do you have one for sale? btw, I bought a 145 Cinelli recently, just because I haven't ever seen one that long. I won't have it until the end of the month, though. If it is in any kind of condition you could xtra size that pinarello of yours...
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Looks like a 1985 Record frame after looking at the 1985 Pinarello catalog from this website: http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/
The main difference I can see between the Record and Treviso is the bottom bracket. You definately have the Record bottom bracket shell and the frame also came in blue.

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Looks like a 1985 Record frame after looking at the 1985 Pinarello catalog from this website: http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/
The main difference I can see between the Record and Treviso is the bottom bracket. You definately have the Record bottom bracket shell and the frame also came in blue.
you know, I looked at that and didn't pay enough attention. I think you are right, though. The fixtures are a very near match. '85 would be super record, and I happen to have a group that'll go right on it. anyone have a source for the stickers?
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Try Kool Bikes, $55 for seat and down tube decals
http://www.koolbikes.com/
Heres a recent pick of my '89 Montello project. Not 100% complete yet, realized I need a shorter stem. Bought the frame from a co-worker for fifty bucks in the condition you see in the frame only pic. Im undecided whether I want to replace decals or leave the well worn "patina" look.
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I had forgotten about the top tube cable routing. Mine was an 87, although very nearly the same as yours. I still miss that sweet springy ride. A truly excellent ride. Does this have the little wings reinforcing the bottom bracket shell/chainstay junction?
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Yep!
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It looks like '91' is worked into the serial number, so that'd probably be Chorus, no?
No, unfortunately in 1991, the Treviso came equipped with Ultegra. However, the "91" in the serial may just be a co-incidence and so many of these were sold as bare frames that just about any mid to high level components would not be out of place.
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I am gonna pretend that the frame is an '85 record. Since I'm putting the decals on'er, I can probably call it whatever; but old yeller has me convinced that is what it is. EE 491 is the serial number, so the 91 is probably coincidental...I got all of the model paint off and did a first coat touch up. I'll post some progress pics manana...
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Unfortunately my pinarello 3ttt stem is 9cm.
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Luker, what are you using for the blue touch up paint? I need some for mine and haven't found a close enough match.
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white for the undercoat. Testors 1639, Sapphire Blue Metalflake, for the top coat. I spray some into a cap, and use a fine brush to apply. The paint changes color depending on the level of mixing. If you let it set in the cap without stirring it gets too dark, pretty fast. But twirling it with the brush brings up the metalflake and a pretty good match. The paint is durable once dry (takes a couple of days to get all of the way dry. I also found that that medium blue that was all over the bike makes a good undercoat for larger areas. Serendipity - I wouldn't have tried it but it was already all over the chipped dropouts. I repainted over the old paint on the dropouts and I can't tell where the old stuff ends and the new stuff starts.
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Thanks, I'll check into Testors 1639. Hope the local Walmart has that color. We dont have too many places that carry model supplies where I live.

Slightly off topic: Does anyone have a full chrome Pinarello fork with at least a 6 3/8" steerer they want to sell? The idiot kid at the bike shop clamped the fork blade in a vise when I asked them to add a quarter inch of threads and put a nice dent in it. The shop owner said he'd replace it if I found another at a reasonable price. Ebay has been been pretty dried up on Chrome Pinarello forks lately.
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I got the Saphire Blue paint. It is a very good match! Thanks for the info.
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haven't got a fork for you either. But I'm gonna post some pre-sticker pictures tomorrow, if I can get 'em taken in the sunshine. I think Testors did a pretty good job...
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Like I said (but my schedule at home is about a mirror of work right now) I am posting some pre-sticker pictures of the Pinarello Record...OMAS from another thread - I used my ratholed OMAS stuff on this frame.
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Looks great! Nice job on cleaning off the ugly blue paint and all the touch-up work. I didnt expect it to turn out that well. You must post more pics when you get the decals on it. Are you getting the one's from Kool Bikes or did you find another source?
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I found some originals, but...they want $100 for 'em so I'm agonizing at this time. It'll be better after I pay my credit card bill.
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I agonized. and I sprang. This is the result. A footnote in biking history, btw. These decals were NOS replacements from the correct era. They were sticky pigment (no media that I can tell) printed in reverse on slick plastic backing. They are pressure sensitive, and go on really thin - without a bonding cover. They were a real pain in the b**t - like decals, you really only get one shot, but you cannot see what you are doing because of the backing paper. I got the left side downtube twisted a little (just bothers anal people like me, I think). And without a lot of pressure applied, they tend to lift in some places (the "r" in Treviso on the downtube got squashed a little).

They look really fragile (and judging from the historical sampling that I've seen, are). I need opinions on clear coat. How can I clear the decals without clearing the whole frame? Is it possible or will the sheen be wildly different? Never tried this...
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Back to Testors...

When I applied repop decals to a Basso build I did awhile ago I was in the same situation. I had painted the bike using a friends pro stuff and had no expectations of decalling it. A month or 2 later eBay and a some $ sent some decals my way. I felt I had inconvenienced my friend enough so I bought Testors semi-gloss (comes in aerosol cans, they also make a dull-coat for military finishes, don't buy that!). I sprayed over one of the less conspicuous decals and then the rest. I was happy then and 4 years later remain happy. The clear gives the decals added protection and merges into the glossy blue paint imperceptibly.

The caveat is that you've got thin NOS Italian decals whereas mine are modern adhesive backed repops so I offer no guarantees.


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I'll do a little testing before application on the real thing. btw, what are repops?
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