Pipebomb

So I have a friend who is trying to sell me some 70's super record hubs they are in great shape. I guess my question is how much are they worth or how much should I give him. Also I have heard more than once about these hubs Breaking on the flanges and I plan on putting these on my fixie and riding in the streets only. I would hate to drop a wad of cash on these and then destoy them.

lotek 

as long as you don't use a radial spoke pattern you should be ok
in terms of breakage.
for ss/fixed I would recomend a 3x lacing if 36 hole, possible 2x for 32 hole.

how much are they worth? NOS Strada hubs should be a bit less than
$100.00 used probably around $50 for the pair
Pista hubs anywhere from $150 to $500 used. more if NOS.

Marty

cyclotoine

My firend just put high flange campy hubs on his fixie. I have no idea that they are known for breaking???

number6

High flange are less prone to breaking, but not worry free, remember less meat between the holes on the small flange. Campagnolo does not approve of radial lacing.

True Super Record hubs are worth quite a bit as they have ti axles, vaporware essentially, never made into wide release.

Everest

I think its the c-records that are prone to breaking in highflange, especially when radially laced but I may be wrong.

Pipebomb

150-500$.... thats quite a gap in price range... What should I be looking for?? In reference to good/bad things that would induce price to go up or down?

luker

Nah, the range lotek quoted for super record road hubs - $50 used, $100 new. That is used in good shape btw. If they are crappy or rusty, they can go down from $50...

lotek 

ok, the top end of the range is for Pista hubsets.
a NOS c-record pista large flange hubset can easily go to $500.

marty

froze

The Pista hubs were intended for track use and not road use.

Now back to the subject, having raced back in the mid 70's to the mid 80's I knew plenty of guys who rode on the Super Record low flange hubs and I don't ever recall seeing any break. They usually were 32 and 36 hole hubs used in the 70's, and if your going to use them I would only recommend a 3x lace not a 2 or less. So I don't see any reason why you can't use those hubs daily. They came with a lube injector port, so if you keep the grease clean by injecting fluid till it oozes out from the side of hubs for a bit about every 500 miles or so they should last a very long time. I have the Suntour Superbe which were basically copies of the Campy Super Record hubs have over 145,000 miles on them and still rolling smooth...mostly due to the my lube ritual I mentioned above.

A wide flange hub (and all Pista hubs were wide flange and 36 hole) was used more in track racing due to allowing a slightly shorter spoke thus less spoke stress, which made the rim flex a tad less due to increasing lateral strength which is why track riders liked them because they created a lot more side loads on their rims when they crank hard. I did know a few people that rode on wide flange hubs on their road bikes but they tended to need frequent adjustment because they were not intended to banged around on roads for many miles.

number6

Campagnolo Pista hub sets come in any number of hole counts 24, 28, 32, 36, 32/40. High (large) grande flange and small (low) piccolo flange were avail. Most distributors only carried the 36 high, seen plenty of others at the National Championships 30 years ago, even at the local velodrome today.

The high flange, low flange debate is filled with urban legend, have over 30 sets of wheels, some 30 years old of both types. Wheel "feel" and durability are a function of building skill, materials and the rider's style (or lack of it). Low spoke count wheels of yesteryear do flex more, but that can allow them to live a long life too, just less sure footed.

If a distributor was willing to order 500 sets, one could get special feaures, I have a High/low flange set, high drive side rear, low opp. and front. Styling is their major feature.

froze

The lower count spoke hole Pista high flange I recalled after making my comments were available but most riders did not opt for those because the 36 hole version made the rim less flexy since, as you stated, they were more flexy in those days, so they used the higher spoke count to transmit more power to the road. That's the same reason I have Superbe 36 hole hubs because I did a lot of mountain racing and when I used less spoke count I got a lot more flex and rubbing and gear jumping especially the 28's and some probs with 32's. And in track racing anything less then a 36 was just plain stupid to be using. I don't recall ever seeing 24 and 28 Campy Pista hubs (not saying they didn't exist I just never saw one so in my mind they didn't exist but according to a web search they did exist) but I did see those lower hole counts in the Super Record models as well as other hub mnufactures, but again the lower count were not popular except for the weight weenie that really wasn't a masher so he/she could not get the rims to flex enough to cause problems.

number6

Pursuiters loved them (low flange), especially after seeing Eddy using them in the hour record. For mass start races, not popular.

Pipebomb

Wow, you guys know your stuff!! Thanks for all the input/help. Q. ALso how bad of an idea is it to ride these(pistas) on the streets im kinda heavy(205) so im sure thats a factor to the final outcome.

luker

Pistas work fine on the road. How the road surface is, and how you ride 'em, that's the limiting factor (no curb hops, no catchemup bouncing the rear wheel over something hard, no big potholes. learn the smoooooth bunnyhop.)

number6

Avoiding Pista hubs on the road probably came from a fellow from GB that had a C record high flange pista hub fail on the road and Campagnolo refused the warranty. There were some images of the problem, it was referenced in the cyclesdeoro web page (shop) or Sheldon Brown, while it read innocent, and Campagnolo came off poorly, one had the impression that there was more to the story than what was reported.

A moral to the story? lace 3x or 4x. and not killer tight.

ABC Classics

Campy did not make SR hubs.
Possibly NR?
ABC

luker

yah. completely correctly, Record hubs. I'm given to understand that the real Super Record hubs had titanium axles; I haven't ever seen a pair. But Record hubs came with the Super Record grouppo (and the Nuovo Record as well...)