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Old 01-30-06, 12:42 PM   #1
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Schwinn Super Sport S/P 1982 Questions (Long)

In three parts (Long):
1. Introduction
2. The 1982 Schwinn Super Sport S/P
3. Afterword

Introduction (my first post).
With increasing frequency over the last few years, my wife, tired of seeing my bought new in 1978 but rarely ever ridden Fuji Sports 10 hanging on the garage wall, has been lobbying to send it off to marital peace good riddance land courtesy of Goodwill.

Late last summer we spent a week in Vancouver, blessed with that great 3-1/2 mile bike path which runs around a seawall in the park on the peninsula attached to downtown. During that week we rented comfort bikes, and rode the seawall with all the other tourists, and liked it so much we did it three times more. It was the most cycling I had done, and the furthest I had ridden, in more than 27 years.

I got back home to Atlanta determined to buy a comfort bike, but decided that before dropping near to a grand on a couple of new bikes that I would first test my new found resolve by pulling down the Fuji and starting to ride.

Well, it wasn’t that easy—either for me or the bike. The Fuji needed the dust crud cleaned out of the chain, the frame, the cables—well, I think most of you know the drill. I did that, piecemeal. One week in, with the inescapable feeling in my stomach that I was stepping out onto a slippery slope with little hope of return, I bought a helmet. That wasn’t as easy as it sounds,. Finding the right sized helmet for a 6’3” 235 pound Clydesdale can take some doing. I found the requisite knowledge base at The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute site -- http://www.bhsi.org/helmetxx.htm. I started wearing the helmet, even though it made me feel like Mike Myers doing the petulant four year old routine in the old Saturday Night Live skits.

After a few weeks I rooted around the basement and uncovered the Brooks B-66 saddle (like the one on my 1963 Rudge that I worked to earn the money for and that my Mom gave away when I went off to college the first time) I had bought but never mounted back when the Fuji was new and put it on. Sweet. Bit the bullet and bought a new 225 mm quill Technomics stem and some new bike takeoff 44 cm bars from a LBS. This got the bars of the 61 cm frame Fuji up level with the seat, and really opened up my ride—my shoulders no longer hurt after riding like they had on the Fuji’s original 37 cm bars.

Over those first three months I bought a used work stand to get the bike up off of the ground, a bunch of cone wrenches (ouch, why did I need these special wrenches?), some tire levers and a freewheel tool. Even buying used when I could, it was turning out that the new hobby was indeed the slippery slope I had feared. Pulled my metric sockets, metric allen wrenches and metric hand wrenches from the bottom of the tool box and re-commissioned them. Pored over everything at Sheldonbrown.com. I mean everything. I repacked the Fuji hubs. Learned to tighten the screws on the stem mounted shifters to prevent auto-shifting. Replaced the blistered old tires. Read a lot about grease, after being offended at the thought of paying $7 for an itty bitty tube at an LBS; found a nice sized quart canister of water proof marine grease for $4.00 at the auto supply store (once an engineer, always an engineer). Googled endlessly here, Schinnbike.com, Oldroads.com and the usual places to understand better Suntour/Shimano parts hierarchies, bike brands/models/years/features.

And in the process of getting up to about 7-8 miles per day, realized that I liked the road bike, in fact preferred it to the vacation rental Giant Sedona comfort bike absolutely.

Meanwhile, my wife was grumbling ‘What about me? Where is my bike?’ She had liked the comfort bike thumb shifters we had had in Vancouver, but too, she spins three times a week at the ‘Y” with clip-in shoes. I asked her to try a road bike, due to all of its advantages with regards to position on the hoods and in the drops. Found a $60 1973 ladies Schwinn Super Sport on eBay, right near the house, hubs, headset and crank already repacked and for his daughter by a local early ‘80’s Raleigh addict whose father-in-law had found the Schwinn in the trash. His daughter discovered boys about the time he finished reviving the bike, and as a result the Schwinn found us.

Its lemon yellow, and lacks only the original seat to be complete. My wife calls it ‘Old Yeller’. She no longer speaks of comfort bikes.

The 1982 Schwinn Super Sport S/P.
Several months in with the Fuji, I realized that was I sticking with this, and decided to prowl for a better bike. Found an ebay 1982 silver Super Sport S/P, head badge date code 3501. Its complete and original, down to the exc condition bar wraps/cushions except for the seat (judging by the amount of surface rust it was changed early in life to an ‘Hsoft-80’) and no evidence of the original Blackburn touring racks except for some paint scratches on the lower forks. It still has the cool silver Aero water bottle. As soon as I unboxed it, I switched over the Technomics stem and wide bars from the Fuji . The original Schwinn Super Record tires, despite their new appearance, had the sidewalls give out after about 200 miles. I replaced them with Continental Ultra Gatorskins 700x28—upsizing from 700x25 at the suggestion of the guys at Lickbike.com to better accommodate my size and stature. In this larger size they weigh about seventy grams more per tire than the originals. Oh well, I can always lose a few pounds myself to compensate.

Long story short: it rides like a dream. A total dream.

Maybe it’s the combination of the extended touring geometry and my large size, I don’t know, I just love it. From the music of the freewheel to the way it shifts. The wheels are true, and the bearings without even repacking spin beautifully.

And in the last few weeks, despite having picked up a pair of Suntour Command shifters (not yet mounted), I’ve found myself ever more fond of the stock Suntour Superbe downtube shifters—which I swore would be the first thing to go. Yes, I have to trim the Suntour Cyclone Mark II derailleurs that operate the whole step/half step front 52/46/34 five cog rear setup more frequently than on the 52/39 two chain ring Fuji, but well, that’s life with a touring triple, as I understand it.

Questions.

The 1982 Catalog and Price Sheet?
What I cannot find are the catalog pages for this bike. Not at Bob Hufford’s geocities site which runs up through 1979, not at Tom Findley’s site where 1982 is missing. I’ve seen the 1981 Schwinn Super Sport Catalog page posted at Schwinnbike.com/heritage, but not the 1982 page for the S/P version with the Aero bottle pictured.

I would dearly love to see from the 1982 Schwinn catalog:
--The full page describing the Super Sport S/P model and showing the Aero bottle.
--The page in the back of the catalog that lists out all the current year models and their specifications and how they are equipped,
--The separate retail price sheet for 1982 that lists all the models, the model hierarchy and the prices.
Does anyone know where these 1982 pages might be posted?

Keeping It Original?.
Along with the bars and stem, I have switched out the original Kyokuto KKT Pro Ace pedals for MKS Sylvan touring pedals with Powergrips the better to accommodate my big feet. I have also mothballed the Aero bottle and frame, put both in a zip loc bag and on the shelf. Twenty-five year old plastic can be fragile, and the Aero bottle is just so damn neat.

As for what to do with the original bars/stem/pedals/Aero bottle, I’m conflicted. Would it be a crime to sell them separately from the bike, even though they would likely fetch near the $120 delivered that the bike cost? I dunno, I waffle about it from day to day. I’m torn, I think, between keeping score, and recognizing that the next owner(s) of the bike might really enjoy having as many of the original parts as possible. Knowing that like with real estate, there is always a next owner.

The Caliper Adjusting Barrels?
Both Dia Compe Gran Compe 500 (marked ‘GC500’) calipers’ gnurled adjusting barrels seem inoperative. Frozen? Or is there a trick about these of which I’m not yet aware ? Does anyone know where I might find replacements? Not sure if what Loosescrews.com sells are the exact ones. Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Afterword: What of the Fuji Sports 10?
Its getting 27 x 1-3/8” slightly knobby Kendra tires, the Hsoft-80 seat from the 1982 Super Sport with the two rail seat clamp from the original like new Fuji brand saddle and going out to pasture up at the mountain house to ride there on alternate weekends when it doesn’t rain. Who cares that it probably weighs 35 pounds? Its got a Valite 1020 tubing steel frame and new steel wheels, cottered cranks (which I must get around to rebuilding), the original Suntour V derailleurs that still shift crisply and the center pull brakes and original pads that still stop on a dime. Its immortal.

I’m hooked.
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Here's the 1982 Super Sport & Super Sport SP catalog page. The Super Sport SP model number is D509 (19"), D511 (21"), D513 (23"), and D515 (25"). Retail price was $649.95 for all four sizes.

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Here's the 1982 Super Sport & Super Sport SP catalog page.
Many, many thanks. One page down, two more to go! I need to look at these things from time to time in order to quell fits of bike lust by just reminding myself that short of a Paramount (of which, as rider, I am nowhere yet worthy), I've already got a vintage lightweight about as good as it gets. God help me, I've begun to wonder lately about something late eighties and indexed.
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The 1982 Super Sport was a fine bike from the "Golden Age" of road bikes. Note however the short wheelbase. Many of the "loaded" tourers of that era would have had a wheelbase an inch or two longer. That means the SS was indeed a "Sports" bike; designed more for a fast moving week-end tour than for a month's tour, loaded down with a hundred pounds of gear.

Today, a bike with a lugged steel frame and steel fork of equally high quality is hard to find, except from specialty makers, such as Rivendell...for mucho bucks. So, treasure your Super Sport...they don't make them like they used to.
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Oh man - those pics bring back memories. Thanks Stan! Here's a pic of my SS (1981) (note the original Schwinn water bottle) - I also have the original saddle, pedals (with toe-clips), racks, reflectors, 5-speed cassette, even the Schwinn tyres and tubes (with Schrader valves)…

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yes it is a slippery slope indeed, soon you'll be scouring ebay
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Many, many thanks. One page down, two more to go!
Here is the price sheet. I'm not sure there is a page in the back that lists all the models and the specs. I'll check when I get home.

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Here is the price sheet. I'm not sure there is a page in the back that lists all the models and the specs. I'll check when I get home.

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My 1982 catalog doesn't have the page listing all the models and specs that some of the other years' catalogs have.
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No specs page in mine either. Just what's on the page that Stan posted.
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My 1982 catalog doesn't have the page listing all the models and specs that some of the other years' catalogs have.
Scooper,

Thanks. Eric's (Sierra's) scans don't either. I just happened to get that year catalog in a box of Schwinn "stuff" in the mail this past week, so I thought I would verify. This box of Schwinn (and other bike and motorcycle) literature was a fun treasure chest! It was sent by Ted Mackie (a California Schwinn dealer in the '70s) and included was this early Schwinn New World catalog. I'm not sure of the year. The wording of the catalog sounds almost introductory (which would make it 1940, but it includes the Sturmey-Archer 3-speed models, which would make it 1941 -- I think). If someones knows better, let me know and I'll correct my assumptions. All the other early literature in the box was in the 1937-40 range.

http://www.geocities.com/sldbconsumer/1941/41nw1.html

I have yet to scan and send to the Bulgier catalog site <http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/> these items:

1938 or 1939 Schwinn Paramount/Superior Catalog
1939 Lewis Lightweight Bicycles (Chicago) from Lewis Cycles, Ltd. Catalog
1939 Rudge-Whitworth Catalog
1939 Rudge-Whitworth Super-Sports Brochure
1940 Rudge-Whitworth Catalog
(Late '30s) Hercules Cycles Brochure

(also included in this box was a 1969 2-Vol. Schwinn Factory Repair Manual, several '70s Schwinn Service Clinic Bulletins, a 1974 Schwinn Consumer Catalog, and, interestingly enough, a 1939 Indian Motorcycle catalog, a 1939 Triumph Motorcycle catalog, a 1937 BSA Motorcycle catalog and a 1940 Ariel Motorcycle catalog. Ted was on his way to the dumpster with these before Googling my Schwinn site and asking if I wanted the stuff. One man's trash ...)

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What a treasure trove, Bob. It was really nice of Ted Mackie to send you that stuff instead of throwing it in the dumpster!

I also recently picked up the 1969 2-volume factory repair manual; I found them on eBay.
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The 1982 Super Sport was a fine bike from the "Golden Age" of road bikes. Note however the short wheelbase. Many of the "loaded" tourers of that era would have had a wheelbase an inch or two longer. That means the SS was indeed a "Sports" bike; designed more for a fast moving week-end tour than for a month's tour, loaded down with a hundred pounds of gear.
thanks, that clears something up--perhaps its the combination of the more upright stance with what the 1981 catalog page calls the longer rear chainstays that makes it so comfortable for me, I'm guessing.
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Mrmw, I am 6'4" and I ride a vinatge touring bike with a 58cm top tube and 130mm MTB stem which means it has some rise and gets the top of the bars at my saddle height on my 63 cm (c-t) frame. Top tube is everything where I am concerned. I have a long torso and 44 cm bars are a must, i know the feeling of cramped shoulders, I have constant shoulder problems from typing on laptop keyboards etc... I'm only 24...
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mrmw, you sound kind of like me.

I gave up riding when I got a car. Sold the bike to finance a better car. Didn't ride for at least ten years.

Bought a used Gitane at a swap meet for $15. Rode occasionally. Gave it up again.

Bought a used Univega mountain bike at a garage sale. Started riding with my son.

Got rid of the Univega and bought a new Trek comfort bike. I loved it. Until.......

My neighbor gave me a mid-eighties Giant road bike. It was pink and white. Rode it once or twice after dark to try it out. Refinished it with a Dupli-color rattle cans, blue and silver with fade at the headtube. Ever tried a fade with a rattle can? Rode it but it was a bit small. Kept riding in pain.

Started buying bikes on Ebay, not to mention a truckload of parts. Bought a Raleigh Competition GS and refinished it the right way. Bought more parts. Bought a Raleigh International frame and built it up. Bought more parts. Then a Schwinn Paramount, bought more parts. Then a Raleigh Pro. Bought more parts, started building wheels. Bought a truing stand. And on and on and on.....

It is a disease.

My name is David and I am a bikeaholic. I haven't bought a bike or a part in at least two weeks now.
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mrmw, you sound kind of like me.

I gave up riding when I got a car. Sold the bike to finance a better car. Didn't ride for at least ten years.

Bought a used Gitane at a swap meet for $15. Rode occasionally. Gave it up again.

Bought a used Univega mountain bike at a garage sale. Started riding with my son.

Got rid of the Univega and bought a new Trek comfort bike. I loved it. Until.......

My neighbor gave me a mid-eighties Giant road bike. It was pink and white. Rode it once or twice after dark to try it out. Refinished it with a Dupli-color rattle cans, blue and silver with fade at the headtube. Ever tried a fade with a rattle can? Rode it but it was a bit small. Kept riding in pain.

Started buying bikes on Ebay, not to mention a truckload of parts. Bought a Raleigh Competition GS and refinished it the right way. Bought more parts. Bought a Raleigh International frame and built it up. Bought more parts. Then a Schwinn Paramount, bought more parts. Then a Raleigh Pro. Bought more parts, started building wheels. Bought a truing stand. And on and on and on.....

It is a disease.

My name is David and I am a bikeaholic. I haven't bought a bike or a part in at least two weeks now.
Tell you what, you can order all the parts you want, just as long as the frames are 58cm and you change your shipping address to mine.

Love seeing these old Schwinns. I will have to find myself another one one of these days, maybe a Paramount track frame. mmmm.... I like that idea. My slippery slope started with a Schwinn as well. A 1980 Traveler. Then it was the 83 Centurion with a CroMo frame that I spent 3 months painting and sourcing parts for. Then the full 531 steel Gazelle that I just finished. Must level out and sell off a few things now that I'm about to move, but my house must either have a 3 car garage (or rather 2 cars and a bike section) or a seperate detached workshop / storage area. muahahahaha!
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Cuda, I know what you mean about the Schwinns. Even a battered Chicago Schwinn beach cruiser gets me excited. Maybe it is because of the Chi-Crap out there today, or because seeing those old springer forks or even the stamped steel forks are so much better looking than generic unicrown forks.

Sorry, but I have to have at least a 60cm frame and usually a taller stem, due to age and spinal constraints. I'll continue having the stuff shipped here until I have to move or when my wife complains too much. Then I'll sell some token stuff and buy a lot more!
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I just got an 1982 Super Sport S/P with about 200-300 miles on it. Had the racks and 25 year old cannondale panniers but not the water bottle cage. I put on a niNto dirt drop riser stem and albatross bars. May go back to drop bars for my Jersey Shore tour this summer. The bike is really nice. Shifts are sooo smooth. It is one of the bikes i wish i could have bought when I was 14 but my paper route only got me the world sport!
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I don't understand why they would build a "touring" bike and give it a 34 low ring up front?
And side pull brakes?
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I just got an 1982 Super Sport S/P with about 200-300 miles on it. Had the racks and 25 year old cannondale panniers but not the water bottle cage. I put on a niNto dirt drop riser stem and albatross bars. May go back to drop bars for my Jersey Shore tour this summer. The bike is really nice. Shifts are sooo smooth. It is one of the bikes i wish i could have bought when I was 14 but my paper route only got me the world sport!
I have an extra original nice condition Aero water bottle and mounting cage. Its a wonderful Sunday go to meeting accessory for photo shoots, bike shows etc.

Its extra because just by chance I happened on a spare Aero bottle NOS to keep with my own '82 Super Sport S/P.

PM me if interested. I'm still looking for a rear rack.
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I don't understand why they would build a "touring" bike and give it a 34 low ring up front?
And side pull brakes?
Touring is a marketing misnomer. Its a sport tourer all the way. Chainstays are about 42.5 cm, sidepulls, 52/46/34 stock front rings. The largest tire it will take with fenders is 32mm. Sport touring. I love mine. Even if its been supplanted just recently by the just completed Miyate Six Ten.
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I have that bike in smokey pearl, 25" frame, bought it new, bought it too big, should have bought 23" frame. As much as it upsets me, I think I'm going to sell it to someone who really appreciates these quality bikes from this era. I also have the full catalog form that year and many earlier Schwinn catalogs.
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mrmw should still be around. His is an old post. He since has re-engineered a great touring bike, with cantilever brakes re-done and set up superbly. I met him in Chapel Hill, NC and regret only that we didn't have hours instead of minutes to chat. I also bought a bike from him.
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Old 03-17-10, 10:26 AM   #23
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I also have the full catalog form that year and many earlier Schwinn catalogs.
Cool. Can you fill in any gaps here?

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Cool. Can you fill in any gaps here?

http://www.velobration.com/sldatabook/specbook.html

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Bob, some of your gaps could be filled by perusing those
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