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Old 05-09-06, 10:09 PM   #1
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What kind of bike is this?

I bought a bicycle this weekend but am unsure what brand it is. The person I bought it from said it was a late 60s Vitus,although I am not sure if she was referring to the bike or tubing. Anyway it is a nice bike rather light and rides very nicely. As you will see it is a strange mix of parts likely none of them original.
The stem is a mavic with a recessed 7mm allen bolt, newer cinelli bars, aero levers.
It has a Stronglight Competition BB 1.37x 24.
Seat post is a campagnolo 27.2.
Zeus 2000 center pull brakes.
It is a steel frame with longish pointed lugs, looks like the frame has been repainted although perhaps just the rainbow colors were added.
Headset is a shimano Dura ace.
The wheels are aero matrix with 105 hubs,7 speed cluster.
No visible serial numbers.
Campy record changers,levers,pedals,drilled crank set, seat post
Perhaps the best clues are the following.
I am not sure I am reading the name on the dropouts right but it looks to be Milremo (or some word ending in remo),which classic rendezvous indicates is the house brand for ron kitching bikes.
The fork looks to me older than the frame but both front and rear dropouts look to be the same brand making me think the fork is original to the frame. The fork looks like something I have seen on older track bikes.
The seat stays are scalloped.
The rear brake bridge is perhaps a bit different?
Because of the milremo drop outs and bottom bracket and seatpost size I am leaning toward thinking it may be a British Ron Kitching.I wonder how old this bike is? I have not been able to discover any more info on Kitching bikes.
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Old 05-10-06, 06:29 AM   #2
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I bought a bicycle this weekend but am unsure what brand it is. The person I bought it from said it was a late 60s Vitus,although I am not sure if she was referring to the bike or tubing. Anyway it is a nice bike rather light and rides very nicely. As you will see it is a strange mix of parts likely none of them original.
The stem is a mavic with a recessed 7mm allen bolt, newer cinelli bars, aero levers.
It has a Stronglight Competition BB 1.37x 24.
Seat post is a campagnolo 27.2.
Zeus 2000 center pull brakes.
It is a steel frame with longish pointed lugs, looks like the frame has been repainted although perhaps just the rainbow colors were added.
Headset is a shimano Dura ace.
The wheels are aero matrix with 105 hubs,7 speed cluster.
No visible serial numbers.
Campy record changers,levers,pedals,drilled crank set, seat post
Perhaps the best clues are the following.
I am not sure I am reading the name on the dropouts right but it looks to be Milremo (or some word ending in remo),which classic rendezvous indicates is the house brand for ron kitching bikes.
The fork looks to me older than the frame but both front and rear dropouts look to be the same brand making me think the fork is original to the frame. The fork looks like something I have seen on older track bikes.
The seat stays are scalloped.
The rear brake bridge is perhaps a bit different?
Because of the milremo drop outs and bottom bracket and seatpost size I am leaning toward thinking it may be a British Ron Kitching.I wonder how old this bike is? I have not been able to discover any more info on Kitching bikes.
Looks like a mid to late 80's Raliegh. I have an 88 Raleigh Pursuit with identical geometry, lugs and stay design, but R531 Alloy rather than steel. The only other difference is stem shifters and Schimano derraileurs. My Raleigh also has the 27.2 mm Seatpost BTW
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Old 05-10-06, 09:52 AM   #3
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I have an 88 Raleigh Pursuit with identical geometry, lugs and stay design, but R531 Alloy rather than steel.

Reynolds 531 is most definitely steel. That's a good thing.
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Reynolds 531 is most definitely steel. That's a good thing.
Yes, but steel IS an alloy. So you're both right.
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Old 05-10-06, 07:02 PM   #5
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Reynolds 531 is most definitely steel. That's a good thing.
Maybe I should have been more precise.....R531 vs Mild steel!
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Yes, but steel IS an alloy. So you're both right.
"Rather than steel" is most definitely not right.
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Kitching and Bertin created the Milremo brand to badge and sell parts, mostly from Asia. Kind of the same way that Specialized went much later. The dropouts could have been purchased and used by anyone...I suspect that the key may be in the fork - that looks like a nice twin plate. Could you post some more pictures of the fork and of the bottom bracket shell?
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Lurker,thanks.I will post some more pics this weekend.I wondered if this was what was called a twin plate fork.
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Indeed I also suspect that the bicycle may be a Bertin. I have a Bertin with Vitus frame and 105 components.
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Old 05-11-06, 09:25 PM   #10
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Is a bertin not a french bike?If so would it not have a different threaded bottom bracket.Does not the 1.370" x 24 indicate this is a british bike?
Thanks to all who have commented,I will have a few more pics up tomorrow.
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Lurker thought that a few pics of the fork and bottom bracket might help id this bike .Here they are.As I mentioned before the fork is small looking,the picture shows it next to a Raleigh international fork for comparison.I believe this style of fork looks similar to older track bikes i have seen.Hope someone can ofer some expert opinions here. Thanks eveyone!
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well, no. still unknown, but that is a really nice fork. The Reynolds blade profile is more oval, and I think that this one looks like and older columbus profile (or a track fork that someone drilled a hole in). The fork is has very little rake - must be a speedy turner, huh?

1.37 is English...what is the brand of bottom bracket? it looks like a good aluminum one, maybe with a titanium spindle?
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I'm looking at a 1957 hetchins fork. It has a twin plate, a round fork profile, and quite a bit more rake than this one. Except for the rake, it could have been built by hetchins, although I am pretty sure that this isn't a hetchins....anyway, I stand corrected on the fork blade profile, because this one is made with good old reynolds 531. So, lemme change my tune and say that this is an English fork.
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I just bought a Raleigh Pursuit and the lugging looks exactly the same. The bottom bracket luggins is slightly different, perhaps indicating an older frame. I wonder if you were to strip the frame you would see "Raleigh" on the top of the seat stays. :-)

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Lucker,thanks again for your information.The bottom bracket is a Stronlight competition.I have no idea if it has a titanium axle.I agree not much rake with this fork however it rides much better than that might suggest and the steering does not seem at all twitchy.The bike rides very lightly.Actually the bike may be lighter than I first thought.I do not know how accurate weighing a bike on a bathroom scale is but standing the bike on the rear tire on a digital batroom scale this bike weighs 18 pounds.I expect to talk to the seller in a week or two and may be able to get some additional information.
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