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    Not really . . .

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    You've gotta love this forum software...

    My original message was about this old Miyata I found on Craigslist. The pictures weren't very detailed, but it looked like maybe a mid to late 80s 712 or similar model for $200 and possibly the right size. I emailed the poster asking for the model number, serial number and size. He gave me little info but mentioned that the bike was going to the highest bidder and it was now $400.



    I was just looking for a decent old bike for a backup commuter and maybe the occasional weekend rides. I was thinking of offereing $100-150 if it was in good shape. I guess I'll pass on that one.

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    Okay, something went wrong with your 1st post. Initially I interpreted it as a general question. In that case: Yes, it already is, I got 11 or so. That is a collection.
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    I think you can do better than $2-400 for a 712 (nice bike, though). I picked up my 512 for about $75, but put another $25 in cables and brakepads before it was ridable.
    As to being collectable, I have two complete bikes and two framesets, so it's nice to be ahead of the curve for a change
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    Didn't a Miyata 1000 just end on eBay for over $600? (I'm at work, so I shouldn't dig that one up)

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    I stupidly left behind my 87 miyata trailrunner when I left Seattle, and every day I pine for it. It was a very well made bike, lugged steel, triple butted and splined. They're the poor man's bridgestone and I think, yeah, given their high-quality and scarcity, they're perfectly suited to being a collectable.

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    BobHufford;
    The 1000 always goes high, as it was/is one of the nicest out-of-the-box tourers ever made.
    TimJ:
    Your Trailrunner is first cousin to my Triplecross, which I've had more fun on since I built it up than any other bike in the stable. As soon as the new cranks show up I'll post pics of my wannabe cyclocross bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by top506
    TimJ:
    Your Trailrunner is first cousin to my Triplecross, which I've had more fun on since I built it up than any other bike in the stable. As soon as the new cranks show up I'll post pics of my wannabe cyclocross bike.
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    I would kill you and 5 other people for your bike. Well... but I would love to have a triplecross. I saw one go for $125 on Seattle's craigslist a while ago. That's the only time I missed being there. It looked exactly like my trailrunner but larger wheels. Is it the dark blue one?

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    Dark blue, set up for 700c wheels.
    I bought the frame and fork on the evil e-Bay for almost short change, and combined it with a barset (Denda 215/Dia-Compe 287V/Kelly Take-Off/Dura-Ace shifters) that I did get for pocket money. I had the wheelset from my crushed Miyata 312, rear DR and headset from same, and Tektro V-brakes, stem, front DR, and triple crankset from dump take-offs. Cash money, I'm probably in for that $125 counting cables and tires, but it's money well spent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobHufford
    Didn't a Miyata 1000 just end on eBay for over $600? (I'm at work, so I shouldn't dig that one up)

    Bob Hufford
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    http://cgi.ebay.com/Miyata-27-Handma...QQcmdZViewItem

    It only had low bids in the beginning and with a day to go I think it was only up to $70. I checked it again the day it ended and it was @$250. It obviously ended a lot more than that. I was watching it because it would fit me and it was local too, but it was a little too steep for me. I don't plan to do any touring btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by top506
    BobHufford;
    The 1000 always goes high, as it was/is one of the nicest out-of-the-box tourers ever made.
    TimJ:
    I've noticed that the 1000, in good original condition does sell for very high prices. But, I'm not sure it is selling to collectors. I suspect it is selling to riders who want a first rate touring bike that compares well to some of the $2,000 touring bikes of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobHufford
    Didn't a Miyata 1000 just end on eBay for over $600? (I'm at work, so I shouldn't dig that one up)

    Bob Hufford
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    wowsta. I bought my miyata 1000 on ebay five years ago for $225. I put should serious upgrades on it.Like Phil wood hub, shimano 105 hub, mavic T-519, Mavic MA40, kept the deore cranks, armadillo 700x28 tires and brooks professional saddle. It's good to know that I bought a great bike.

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    I just checked out that weblink and the folks who bidded were dumb. It's overpriced. The seller says that the frame is made of an alloy that doesn't rust. Liar! or just plain dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by avner View Post
    I loled. Twice. Then I cried. Then I rubbed one out and cried again, but thanks for sharing.

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    This thread is a kick in my behind to get back and start selling stuff on ebay again.

    Quote Originally Posted by avner View Post
    I loled. Twice. Then I cried. Then I rubbed one out and cried again, but thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531phile
    I just checked out that weblink and the folks who bidded were dumb. It's overpriced. The seller says that the frame is made of an alloy that doesn't rust. Liar! or just plain dumb.
    well, I take that back. The frame is super large and there's only so many frame that's offered on ebay at any given time.

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    Miyata is arguably one of the best mass volume manufacturers of the 1980s. Certain of the models already command good prices, particularly the model 1000 and Team Miyata. While they will never command the prices of the high level, small production manufacturers, they will go up in value. I suspect that over the next decade they will be roughly where 1970s Peugot models to-day, fetching about twice their original selling price for good, clean samples. However, I don't know if this justifies snatching up all the good, clean models that you can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by top506
    Dark blue, set up for 700c wheels.
    I bought the frame and fork on the evil e-Bay for almost short change, and combined it with a barset (Denda 215/Dia-Compe 287V/Kelly Take-Off/Dura-Ace shifters) that I did get for pocket money. I had the wheelset from my crushed Miyata 312, rear DR and headset from same, and Tektro V-brakes, stem, front DR, and triple crankset from dump take-offs. Cash money, I'm probably in for that $125 counting cables and tires, but it's money well spent.
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    I'd definitely like to see pictures.

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    Getting my Myata 1000's back on the road.

    I have two Myata 1000's. Both are great bikes. I bought them both new back in the early 80's while in college in San Diego. Have not riddent them for about 8 years.
    I went over to the local bike shop here in Seattle and they said I would not be able to find tires for them, let alone parts. One is I think a 27" frame. I am 6'2". My wife's was a bit smaller, maybe a 25" frame.

    They are both in very nice condition but I want to get mine back on the road. Where would I possibly find good tires and new cables and such. The derailers are fine. Wheels could use a truing (sp) but hey not bad.

    Anyway new tires would be a good start.

    Keith,

    Near Seattle. Redmond Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531phile View Post
    I just checked out that weblink and the folks who bidded were dumb. It's overpriced. The seller says that the frame is made of an alloy that doesn't rust. Liar! or just plain dumb.
    Kind of yes......

    Miyata dipped some of their high end frames in zinc phosphate prior to painting as way to help protect against rust. They recieved a 7 step process of zinc, primer, paint and clear coat. While chromoly tubing does rust Miyata took extra steps to help protect the metal.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_whtVpXkKwl...0-h/img153.jpg

    I'm having trouble posting the pic...


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    Quote Originally Posted by kcaravelli View Post
    I have two Myata 1000's. Both are great bikes. I bought them both new back in the early 80's while in college in San Diego. Have not riddent them for about 8 years.
    I went over to the local bike shop here in Seattle and they said I would not be able to find tires for them, let alone parts. One is I think a 27" frame. I am 6'2". My wife's was a bit smaller, maybe a 25" frame.

    They are both in very nice condition but I want to get mine back on the road. Where would I possibly find good tires and new cables and such. The derailers are fine. Wheels could use a truing (sp) but hey not bad.

    Anyway new tires would be a good start.

    Keith,

    Near Seattle. Redmond Washington.

    Your local bike shop should have tires and cables, obviously look for one of the name brands like, Specialized, Continental, Michelin or Panaracer. Alot of shops are carrying 'Jagwire' branded cables which are decent quality cable. You'll want stainless inner wires w/ lined housings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcaravelli View Post
    local bike shop here in Seattle ... said I would not be able to find tires for them, let alone parts.
    nonsense.

    There are a lot of sources for 27" tires, and probably more all the time. Try one of the REI stores, or Bike Tires Direct on-line, or just google for 27" tire.

    Having said that, you may be able to get brakes with a longer drop and put 700c tires/wheels (slightly smaller rim diameter) in there. For the rear wheel, you will need to be sure that any replacement wheel has an "over locknut" (OLN) dimension to match the space between your dropouts.

    There are a lot of new parts that can work on your bike (if you need them), and flea-bay is a source for many others.

    I think that the person at the local shop was just hoping that you'd offer to trade-in your Miyata on some newer bike ... and they'd get their grubby mitts on it.

    My mid-80's (bought it used) 512 rides as nicely as my early 70's all-Campy French road bike. And, took 700c tires from the start.

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    It should already have 700c's on it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcaravelli View Post
    I have two Myata 1000's. Both are great bikes. I bought them both new back in the early 80's while in college in San Diego. Have not riddent them for about 8 years.
    I went over to the local bike shop here in Seattle and they said I would not be able to find tires for them, let alone parts. One is I think a 27" frame. I am 6'2". My wife's was a bit smaller, maybe a 25" frame.

    They are both in very nice condition but I want to get mine back on the road. Where would I possibly find good tires and new cables and such. The derailers are fine. Wheels could use a truing (sp) but hey not bad.

    Anyway new tires would be a good start.
    Good tires are available everywhere in 27". I like durable and don't care about weight so recommend:

    Continental Ultra Gatorskin http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product..._200276_200523

    Panaracer Pasela Tg Road Tire http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...272_-1___11500

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    I went over to the local bike shop here in Seattle and they said I would not be able to find tires for them, let alone parts.
    I'm sure that lbs was baiting you to say something along the lines of... 'well that sucks, how much you think these bikes would sell for'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcaravelli View Post
    I have two Myata 1000's.
    Now we're jealous, and may not be able to help. Please send the bikes to one of us while we deliberate.

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