early 80's campy compatibility issues for build
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early 80's campy compatibility issues for build
I'm building up a frame I bought on eBay, it's a near mint Carlton Super Course. I was kindly informed by a member of this forum that it was built on or around December 1982. It came equipped with a Campy headset and bottom bracket that are also in great shape (but not stock), so I'm scrounging eBay for period-correct Campy drivetrain, etc. I'll have the wheels built separately by a local wheelbuilder.
My questions are as follows - any pearls of wisdom would be greatly appreciated:
1) are drivetrain parts from both the Super Record and Record groups interchangeable? i.e. if I were to obtain a Record front changer and a SR rear changer would I be ok? (By the way, I am right that Super Record and Record were the top 2 campy road groups during this era, no?)
2) are parts interchangable (by and large) between the years 1980-1985?
3) are there any specific or identifiable compatability issues with the 2 groups during the time frame posted above?
4) if the bottom bracket that came with the frame is of later vintage, how would I determine this and could I potentially run into any issues while setting up the drivetrain (with chainline or what have you)?
5) the rear changers from this era are meant to be used with a 6-speed freewheel, correct? Did campy manufacture freewheels? are they difficult to come by? by the way, with regard to wheels/freewheel I am not 100% dedicated to getting period-correct parts, I just want a rear wheel that will be compatible w/ the rest of the drivetrain and last a good long time.
6) is it possible or simply cost-prohibitive to purchase NOS (or very gd/near mint) groupsets from this era?
by the way, if it helps I'm not a complete moron when it comes to bikes - I know what I like, own a repair stand, tools, and a tub of grease - I'm just not the most familiar with these specificities, need a little guidance, & figure this is a good place to go...
thanks...
My questions are as follows - any pearls of wisdom would be greatly appreciated:
1) are drivetrain parts from both the Super Record and Record groups interchangeable? i.e. if I were to obtain a Record front changer and a SR rear changer would I be ok? (By the way, I am right that Super Record and Record were the top 2 campy road groups during this era, no?)
2) are parts interchangable (by and large) between the years 1980-1985?
3) are there any specific or identifiable compatability issues with the 2 groups during the time frame posted above?
4) if the bottom bracket that came with the frame is of later vintage, how would I determine this and could I potentially run into any issues while setting up the drivetrain (with chainline or what have you)?
5) the rear changers from this era are meant to be used with a 6-speed freewheel, correct? Did campy manufacture freewheels? are they difficult to come by? by the way, with regard to wheels/freewheel I am not 100% dedicated to getting period-correct parts, I just want a rear wheel that will be compatible w/ the rest of the drivetrain and last a good long time.
6) is it possible or simply cost-prohibitive to purchase NOS (or very gd/near mint) groupsets from this era?
by the way, if it helps I'm not a complete moron when it comes to bikes - I know what I like, own a repair stand, tools, and a tub of grease - I'm just not the most familiar with these specificities, need a little guidance, & figure this is a good place to go...
thanks...
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1) That would be Super Record and Nuovo Record. You can mix-and-match these with no problems - differences were either styling or construction material
2) Depends what you'll be mixing. If it's just each individual part, you should be all right - you can run an SR crankset with NR rear derailer and Victory front changer if you so wish to. Same with the brake system. Beware of the later Syncro index systems - these work with pretty much nothing.
3) Between SR and NR? Not that I can think of. They were pretty much both the same group with variances being mainly slightly different styling and some titanium hardware used on SR.
4) Depends...I'll let the experts tackle this one.
5) Six or seven, and they'll probably handle eight too. Campy did make alloy freewheels in the late '80s. These are very hard to come by, and very expensive when you do find them. Easy to crack the cog teeth on these too. Stick with a Regina or Suntour freewheel for your machine.
6) You can get them if you look hard enough - but be prepared to shell out a considerable amount of cash, particularly for Super Record.
Don't be ashamed. Every single one of us were beginners too.
-Kurt
2) Depends what you'll be mixing. If it's just each individual part, you should be all right - you can run an SR crankset with NR rear derailer and Victory front changer if you so wish to. Same with the brake system. Beware of the later Syncro index systems - these work with pretty much nothing.
3) Between SR and NR? Not that I can think of. They were pretty much both the same group with variances being mainly slightly different styling and some titanium hardware used on SR.
4) Depends...I'll let the experts tackle this one.
5) Six or seven, and they'll probably handle eight too. Campy did make alloy freewheels in the late '80s. These are very hard to come by, and very expensive when you do find them. Easy to crack the cog teeth on these too. Stick with a Regina or Suntour freewheel for your machine.
6) You can get them if you look hard enough - but be prepared to shell out a considerable amount of cash, particularly for Super Record.
Don't be ashamed. Every single one of us were beginners too.
-Kurt
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