Can you help me date this bike?
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Can you help me date this bike?
I'm trying to work out the age of this bike: (I accidentally put this question up on the wrong part of the forum earlier)
www.flickr.com/photos/tommasini
It's got a rather distinctive quatrefoil (four-leafed-clover) shape cross-section, though returns to being round at each end.
From what I can work out, it's a mixture of Super Record and C-Record kits, of different vintages. Colbalto brakes but very modern looking cranks suggest it's a bit mix-and-match. So maybe mid eighties?
Declaration: The reason I wish to know is that I'm trying to help sell this bike for a woman who had it sitting in her shed for many years. I am not going to profit from it personally.
www.flickr.com/photos/tommasini
It's got a rather distinctive quatrefoil (four-leafed-clover) shape cross-section, though returns to being round at each end.
From what I can work out, it's a mixture of Super Record and C-Record kits, of different vintages. Colbalto brakes but very modern looking cranks suggest it's a bit mix-and-match. So maybe mid eighties?
Declaration: The reason I wish to know is that I'm trying to help sell this bike for a woman who had it sitting in her shed for many years. I am not going to profit from it personally.
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There were a lot of Tommassini that were sold as bare frames, so I would not put too much emphasis on the components for dating. My estimate would be 1982-1984. The internal brake cables are reminescent of late 1980s, but those models typically entered the top of the top tube, while these enter the underside. The top mounted shift levers are typical of the early 1980s aero trend and I'm wondering if the cable routing wasn't part of this trend.
I have for reference a 1985 Prestige. Same colour and decals, but with side mounted shifters, dual bottle bosses and brake cable tunnels. One thing I read was that all 1986 would have pump bosses.
I don't see a pump boss in the pic and can only make out one set of bottle bosses. If so, this would indicate pre-1985. I believe Campagnolo introduced their front derailleur boss in 1982, so that would establish the maximum age. If the above is correct, then it should be Columbus SL/SP tubing.
If you a pump boss and two bottle boss sets, then it should be late 1980s. Later 1980s Prestige were SLX/SPX, though I don't know the cutover date.
I have for reference a 1985 Prestige. Same colour and decals, but with side mounted shifters, dual bottle bosses and brake cable tunnels. One thing I read was that all 1986 would have pump bosses.
I don't see a pump boss in the pic and can only make out one set of bottle bosses. If so, this would indicate pre-1985. I believe Campagnolo introduced their front derailleur boss in 1982, so that would establish the maximum age. If the above is correct, then it should be Columbus SL/SP tubing.
If you a pump boss and two bottle boss sets, then it should be late 1980s. Later 1980s Prestige were SLX/SPX, though I don't know the cutover date.
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You're right, there aren't any pump bosses, so from your description, it sounds like an early eighties frame that has been upgraded with newer components somewhere down the line.
The only thing that would suggest that isn't the case is the chainrings, which seem to be on relatively modern cranks but have "Tommasini" machined into them. I can't believe anyone would bother transfering them onto a newer crankset (they're also in far too good condition to have been used on an older crankset).
Alternatively, could these have been bought aftermarket a few years after the frame?
The only thing that would suggest that isn't the case is the chainrings, which seem to be on relatively modern cranks but have "Tommasini" machined into them. I can't believe anyone would bother transfering them onto a newer crankset (they're also in far too good condition to have been used on an older crankset).
Alternatively, could these have been bought aftermarket a few years after the frame?
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Now that's a sign of a really serious cyclist when they start dating bikes instead of other people. I may not be able to help you out with that bike, since I don't know her (sure is pretty though), but I could set you up with an 80's Bianchi with a good personality.
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Now that's a sign of a really serious cyclist when they start dating bikes instead of other people. I may not be able to help you out with that bike, since I don't know her (sure is pretty though), but I could set you up with an 80's Bianchi with a good personality.
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I knew there was a risk someone would say that.
I almost asked if anyone could 'age' the bike but thought I'd get advice on producing faded paintwork and a rust-like finish.
Sometimes you just can't win.
I almost asked if anyone could 'age' the bike but thought I'd get advice on producing faded paintwork and a rust-like finish.
Sometimes you just can't win.
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Originally Posted by Marwood
I knew there was a risk someone would say that.
I almost asked if anyone could 'age' the bike but thought I'd get advice on producing faded paintwork and a rust-like finish.
Sometimes you just can't win.
I almost asked if anyone could 'age' the bike but thought I'd get advice on producing faded paintwork and a rust-like finish.
Sometimes you just can't win.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey