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Old 08-29-06, 08:06 PM   #1
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Info Needed: 1984 Raleigh U.S.A. Competition

Anyone out there as old as I am and remember what components were included on the 84 Competition? The bike is fully chromed with a pearl white color on the main tubes. I think it has the correct handlebars, with SunTour friction down tube levers and SunTour front derailleur. Crazy made in Japan serial number and 555SL Raleigh main tubes. Thanks
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I have some specs for this bicycle but unfortunately they do not list brand and model for all the components. The derailleurs are listed as SunTour Cyclone with Vx shifters. Frewheel is SunTour New Winner, 12-24T, 7 speed. The brakes are Dia-Compe AGC 300/200. Crankset is AE-5CA with 42/52T. Pedals are MKS Esquartz. Everything else is generic descriptions like "alloy aero 700C" rims. An advertisement shows that the higher Prestige model used an SR LaPrade seat post, SR stem and Araya ADX-1W rims, so these may be what is on the Competition too. I believe some other forum members have this specific bicycle, so hopefully they will see your post, corroborate my info and fill in the gaps.
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I own an all-original '84 Comp - will post later with full description (and pics)

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Thanks to both of you for responding.
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Ok, here are the specs in addition to what has been stated by T-Mar:

Shifter levers, Suntour (No model ID on these. T-Mar, can you send me a photo of what Vx levers are supposed to look like?)
Dia-Compe A C300G calipers (I gather that these are the Aero Gran-Compe 300s that T-Mar references to. 300s for both front and rear, no 200s)
Dia-Compe brake levers, unmarked, similar to Gran-Compe minus the "GC" logo, tan "Dia-Compe" hoods
Crankset: Sugino GLP, Sugino 42/52 rings
Seatpost: Sakae
Stem: Unmarked, black. Looks like it might be SR.
Rims: Araya aero, "V" pattern, marked "Araya 700C 1W"
Handlebars: "Raleigh USA" Engraved
Hubs: Sansin (the front, anyway, rear has a sticker over the center stating "Raleigh Sealed Bearing")
QR levers: Sunshine

Enclosed are a few pictures of my own '84 Competition.
(Components not original to the bike shown include: RD (Shimano Light Action), shifters (Shimano 7-speed), freewheel (Nashbar 7-speed), chain (Shimano IG), chainrings (Campagnolo NR, 1985), pedals (cheap-o's), saddle (Brooks Team Pro, pre-softened), bar tape (Pyramid).

Will post some closeups later on.

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I can recall seeing Raleigh USA Comps with Shimano 600EX (the last variation before SIS) though I'm relying on a memory from a bike I saw and was considering buying for my girlfriend (now wife) in 85 or 86. I have no idea if it was an 84. The only reason I remember the shimano was that I had just built up a Cannondale with the same stuff.

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I can recall seeing Raleigh USA Comps with Shimano 600EX (the last variation before SIS) though I'm relying on a memory from a bike I saw and was considering buying for my girlfriend (now wife) in 85 or 86. I have no idea if it was an 84. The only reason I remember the shimano was that I had just built up a Cannondale with the same stuff.
I'm not sure what the Comp of '85 and '86 had in the way of componentry, but it certainly doesn't sound like an '84.

This might help: '84s were chrome/white exclusively - '85s were also 1/2 chromed, not sure of the solid color. '86 did away with the chrome.

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Hey CUDAK, tell me more, tell me more! I know the fork that came with the bike is a mismatch because it has about 2 inches of thread on the end that it does'nt need, way too long. The fork is however chromed. Another odd thing about the fork is that it has eyelets on the dropout, like it was made for a touring model. Any markings on your fork for identification such as stampings or engravings? Mine's got nothin, no stickers, no stampings, just too much thread. Thanks again, brasel
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Hey CUDAK, tell me more, tell me more! I know the fork that came with the bike is a mismatch because it has about 2 inches of thread on the end that it does'nt need, way too long. The fork is however chromed. Another odd thing about the fork is that it has eyelets on the dropout, like it was made for a touring model. Any markings on your fork for identification such as stampings or engravings? Mine's got nothin, no stickers, no stampings, just too much thread. Thanks again, brasel
Well, these machines did come with aero headsets that require nearly an extra inch worth of threads. The eyelits, however, are extremely suspect, for neither my '84 or '85 have them. If your rear drops don't have eyelits, I'd bet it's a replacement.

The fork on my '85 Super Course (same thing, different components & paint scheme) is marked Tange on the steerer tube, and I would bet that my '84 has the same thing.

Decals include "RALEIGH" in vertical stickers on each blade facing foward, and 555SL tubing decals in the usual spots just below the fork crown. '85s only have tubing decals.

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I'm gonna look more carefully at the steerer tube for a logo tomorrow. I would think there should be some kind of marking on the fork to identify the maker. I bought a Shimano 105 front and rear derailleur and 6 speed index levers for the bike last Saturday on e-bay. Any suggestions for the remaining components such as seat post, wheels/tires and brakes? Apparently the bike also needs "short reach" brake calipers. The rear tire appears to ride very close to the bridge. brasel
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I'm gonna look more carefully at the steerer tube for a logo tomorrow. I would think there should be some kind of marking on the fork to identify the maker. I bought a Shimano 105 front and rear derailleur and 6 speed index levers for the bike last Saturday on e-bay. Any suggestions for the remaining components such as seat post, wheels/tires and brakes? Apparently the bike also needs "short reach" brake calipers. The rear tire appears to ride very close to the bridge. brasel
No "logo" - just "TANGE" and "4F" following it, if I remember correctly.

Well, it's a tad late to tell you, but you should have bought 7 speed D-T levers, for it's spaced for a 7 speed freewheel.

Any vintage, aluminum post should be fine. As you're using Shimano, I'd suggest a Japanese post - Sakae, or SR. Campagnolo only if you were using a full gruppo.

I'd use some polished aluminum box-pattern rims, or something similar to the original Araya aero rims, or the actual Arayas themselves.

I've always been partial to vintage-appearing skinwalls for my Raleigh USA machines. My '84 Competition has Kenda Kampaign 700X20Cs, and my '86 Grand Prix has Kenda 700X25C skinwalls w/herringbone tread. I have yet to pick out tires for my '85 Super Course, but they'll probably be the same 25Cs as the Grand Prix.

As for brakes, stick with the original spec and use the Dia-Compe AGCs.

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#1: Front fork, original
#2: Dia-Compe AGS caliper (forgive that I haven't cleaned it up)
#3: Original aero headset (do yourself a favor and do NOT use a black handlebar stem as Raleigh did originally)
#4: Sakae seatpost
#5: Sugino GLP crankset with Campy rings
#6: Rear derailer (Shimano)
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Did I overdo it on the info?

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Hey CUDAK, the info was very helpful. I love bicycle stats. Want to hear a strange bicycle story? Iv'e got a couple from this summer, one having to do with a Miyata 750SR and the latest one having to do with the Raleigh. The Competition that I had was only paritially there. I had the frame, handlebars, crank, and shift levers. That's why I asked about the original components. I sought out some wheels from an older gentleman that Iv'e bought some bikes from before, and he had an 84 Competition in his basement! So I bought it for 75 bucks. It is only missing the original handlebars, but I have the set that came with the first Competition, so Iv'e listed the original frame that I had on e-bay. I'll post a picture of the latest one after I get it cleaned up. It seems in good shape and has all the original components you told me about, sans the handlebars. Weird, huh? brasel
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Hey Chuck, that bike looks new! Nice colors. Don't know much yet about how these bikes ride since Iv'e been trying to get a complete one going. brasel
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...but I have the set that came with the first Competition, so Iv'e listed the original frame that I had on e-bay.
Grrr...wish you had told me before you listed it, or I would have probably bought it from you right then and there.

P.S.: Someone stripped the paint on your top tube.

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Sorry CUDAK, didn't even think you would want another, you'll have to make do with just one 84 Competition.
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I've got the poor brother of the trinity, the Gran Prix.
Seems to me that the bikes are all 555sl frames and maybe the only difference was the component group?
The GP originally had "light action" Shimano stuff.

But since you guys have been riding these bikes as well, I've got a question about the RIDE! Mine has to be the stiffest riding steel bike I've ever had. It is just STIFF- even too hard! I've got two other Raleigh USAs from the Huffeigh era too, and they don't ride anything like it.
Wouldn't call the GP poor, framewise. Components aren't as good as the Competition, but I wouldn't scoff at the frameset. Only difference on the GP is that it's main-tubes 555 only, according to the decal. Doesn't make a stick of difference, IMHO. I, myself, consider the Grand Prix frameset fantastic, enough so that I mounted a full Campagnolo Victory gruppo on my own Grand Prix - an '86 (photo coming).

They are very stiff frames, yes - but I wouldn't categorize them as rough. Personally, I love the ride of these machines, and would love to get my hands on more if I could only find them ('84 Competition, Craigslist find, $40; '85 Super Course, reject from LBS, free; '86 Grand Prix frameset, eBay, $50). So far, I've yet to find another - then again, finding any decent vintage frames in my town is an impossible task.


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Sorry CUDAK, didn't even think you would want another, you'll have to make do with just one 84 Competition.
That's ok - I'm not too keen on the 25" frame size anyway. I'm more around the 23-23.5" area.

Doesn't particularly matter whether it's a Super Course, Grand Prix, or Competition, for I intend to do the old paint-strip trick to expose the all-chrome frame. Haven't had much luck though.

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Kurt or anyone,

Would you please confirm the seatpost size on an '85 Competition? I can't remember if it's a 26.8 and I just sold my last 80's Raleigh.

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26.8 on my '84. '84 Super Course seems to have a 26.6 in it though, and the '85 SC a 26.4.

Double check yours to be sure. Don't know what is going on with mine.

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Thanks Kurt,

I have a 26.8 and will give it a try when the frame comes back tomorrow.

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