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Old 08-31-06, 01:36 PM   #1
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taking my bike apart

I want to paint my old road bike because it is long over due for one - ecept i dont have any idea where to start or what tools i need to do it. And im afriad if i am able to pull it apart i wont be able to get it back together (and usable). Does anyone have advice on tools, procedures, insides tips? And do you think someone like myself (who wouldnt be able to put the cables back on unsless helped!) can pull it off?
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Learning to work on bikes is not very hard but it can be a little tricky. 3 years ago, I had never done any work on my road bikes other than change tires. Now, I've built a dozen or so bikes and done hundreds of repairs for other people. I can't get enough of it - I'm a closet mechanic.

A couple things - I feel that to do it well, you need to have some mechanical aptitude. Not a lot but some. You also have to have patience to work slow while you learn as not to bend or break anything important and the confidence to know that there really isn't a whole lot you can bend or break that can't be fixed by a "real" mechanic. In other words - no fear of failure.

Proper tools, the Park Tool website, and Zinn and the Art of Bike Maintenance are great places to start. Oh, and the Mechanics Forum here too.

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Old 08-31-06, 02:04 PM   #3
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Start by reading. You can also go to a thrift shop and buy something really cheap and see if you can get it cleaned up and working. It takes a bit of time, learning, and practice, but it's not some mysterious process that takes professional training. Painting is tricky. I have only done touch ups using spray paint from cans and some brush on. Depending on the bike and what you are hoping to accomplsih, you may want to think about sending the bike out to someone to be painted.
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Another suggestion would be to document each step as you dismantle it with a digital camera. If you can't recall which end of the bottom bracket, etc. is which, refer to the photos. This would be good for cable routing, too, should you be forgetful.
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Old 08-31-06, 03:17 PM   #5
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thanks, but since im using my road bike as a way to cross train for my running i cant really afford to take it apart and not have it while i figure it out for two weeks. But conisdering its rusting and only has the front brake i thought it would be better to try and save the bike sooner than later before its really messed up (bought it at a garage sale, ross grand tour). Bringing it to a bike shop for help is out of the question because as cross country and indoor season (for track) are coming up fast i need the money for track spikes ($100 each) and the swimming season is going to start soon, so i dont really have the money to throw at a bike shop. Thanks for the advice though ill probably go buy a battery for my digital camera today. (My only other bike is a mosh bmx bike with the seat set low, not fun to ride for more than 15 minutes.)
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for me working on bikes works the same as a lot of other techie stuff i do in my free time (like pc hardware building)

- make mental notes (or if you dont trust your self make pictures or other notes on paper)
- use desk research like parktools site, sheldons site, forums, etc etc
- don't force anything
- use the right tools (*)

*if you don't have them and you don't have the money to buy them or the bike is old and worn allready this last important item can be interpreted as non important
I improvised a lot on point 4
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alright ive decided to give it a try after i get some steel wool (hopefully real soon) and im going to use some cheap black and white spray paint with a clear coat and hopefully ill get it together. Thanks for the advice, ill try and post picture of before and after once ive started thanks again
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the painting with rattle cans is a story apart. There is a pretty actual thread here in the c&v section with some practical tips.

If you doubt about any step in the process don't hesitate to post here
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ok ive started taking all of the easy pieces off: kickstand, reflectors, handlebars and stem (left the stem shifter on the stem with the cables still atached - dont know anything about cables) front wheel, rear wheel. But the cranks have a long line as if to take them off u need a huge screw driver any help with that? And with the rear end of the bike would i HAVE to take all the gear things and derailer? off or could i keep them on with a bag taped all around it? And i bought interior exterior paint - garbage or will it work with a clear coat meant for outdoor stuff (primarily wood)? I dont want a pretty bike just one that a garbage man wont take if its chained to a pole because he thinks its been thrown. lAnd thanks for the help i really appreciate it.
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ok ive started taking all of the easy pieces off: kickstand, reflectors, handlebars and stem (left the stem shifter on the stem with the cables still atached - dont know anything about cables) front wheel, rear wheel.
Good start! I always use zipper bags and bowls and cups to make subgroups like reflecter-and-screws-bolts-nuts-all-together.

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But the cranks have a long line as if to take them off u need a huge screw driver any help with that?
You mean the dustcap perhaps? Like:

Just unscrew them. After that you need a crank puller. Just buy it, you will need it the rest of your life and won't regret it.

To unscrew the bottom bracket you normally need some special tools I still have to buy. On demand I can tell you the dirty method involving beer, wd-40, screwdriver, hammer, some old inner tube and more beer.

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And with the rear end of the bike would i HAVE to take all the gear things and derailer? off or could i keep them on with a bag taped all around it?

You could but it would not be my way to do it. Taking the stuff off has some advantages:
- way easier painting
- learning efforts
- you can clean all the parts like the rear derailleur and stuff
- etc

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And i bought interior exterior paint - garbage or will it work with a clear coat meant for outdoor stuff (primarily wood)? I dont want a pretty bike just one that a garbage man wont take if its chained to a pole because he thinks its been thrown. lAnd thanks for the help i really appreciate it.
Look for the topic about painting of last week in c&v for tips. The kind of paint is just half the job and not that important (for this project). The way you do it way more! Good luck
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i did it, i just sucked it up and did it, i painted my bike, there's paint on the chain and chainwheel, paint on the cables, paint everywhere but im glad i did it. I didnt take the bike apart because i was to nervous but i think i did a decent job as my first try. Thanks for all the advice, i hope to have pics once i put the wheels on and the paint is dry. Thanks again
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Get some mineral spirits, or acetone, and some steel wool, and knock that overspray off the stuff that wasn't supposed to be painted before it dries completely.

Congratulations on taking the plunge. Don't feel too bad if it didn't come out as well as you'd have liked, either; all of us here have left a long swath of botched machinery in our wakes as we learned how to handle a wrench.
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Be brave AND smart AND deliberate. . .take your time. . .use a light hand, especially when threading. [If when re-threading there's resistance, something's wrong. . .back out and begin again.] As folks have said, arm yourself with some references. That bit about a digi-camera is gold. . .being one of God's Total Idiots, it's a trick that has often saved me time and embarrasment.

Zinn's books are good. . .the Park and Harris' 'Pages are good. . .the Bicycle Mechanics sub-forum is good and can can serve as a cheerleader.

You say the bike is an older one; if so you may want to consider replacing the loose ball-bearing bottom bracket with a sealed unit. It may have a Drive-Side Fixed Cup. If it's a standard ["English"] bottom bracket as is likely, remember the drive-side threads counter clockwise and have been installed with torques in the King Kong range and can be tough to remove. . .especially if you don't know about the opposite threading thing. [Don't ask me why I'm imtimate with this maneuver!] Don't be shy about hiking down to your LBS if you encounter problems with issues like this.
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Be brave AND smart AND deliberate. . .take your time. . .use a light hand, especially when threading. [If when re-threading there's resistance, something's wrong. . .back out and begin again.] As folks have said, arm yourself with some references. That bit about a digi-camera is gold. . .being one of God's Total Idiots, it's a trick that has often saved me time and embarrasment.

Zinn's books are good. . .the Park and Harris' 'Pages are good. . .the Bicycle Mechanics sub-forum is good and can can serve as a cheerleader.

You say the bike is an older one; if so you may want to consider replacing the loose ball-bearing bottom bracket with a sealed unit. It may have a Drive-Side Fixed Cup. If it's a standard ["English"] bottom bracket as is likely, remember the drive-side threads counter clockwise and have been installed with torques in the King Kong range and can be tough to remove. . .especially if you don't know about the opposite threading thing. [Don't ask me why I'm imtimate with this maneuver!] Don't be shy about hiking down to your LBS if you encounter problems with issues like this.
thanks for the advice but im now finished unfortuantely and i didnt take many of the parts off, i think it turned out better than i thought and considering im using it only for training purposes i think itll be just find. Looking at it u can tell a complete novice did it because there are all the tell tale signaint on reflector, pain on chain wheel, paint on chain only in certain spots and not to smooth surfaces. On a positive note it looks great standing about a block away!
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Only one way to go from here; up!
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lol!

Like mr Bean painting his room with paint + dynamite

I'm curious for the the pics! Don't be ashamed and show us please! I think you at least learned some new things from this experience
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