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Old 09-15-06, 04:34 AM   #1
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For you good photographers...

What you do to get such nice pictures. Mine never turn out as well as many in the forum... but then again I bought my Stylus 710 for size and convenience... Maybe that's part of the problem?

If it is technique rather than equipment I need to squeeze a photography class into my schedule...
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Good lighting, a good flash, and a macro mode for those closeups. Those three are probably the most important factors. Some of the pictures I take are with an entry level Olympus I bought for its simplicity for my wife and daughter. It takes pictures almost as good as my better Olympus which is feature rich. Good luck.
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I never get tired of your bicycle photos, Rad. I figured by them though that you must have a pretty slick light rig, and that photo sure proves it. I take it that you're a photographer by trade?
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Location is also important. You can find good lighting outdoors, but make sure you're somewhere purty.
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...and besides a good camera and photography skills:

An image editing that allows for user-adjustable .JPG image compression (an elegantly simple, free program for this is http://www.irfanview.com/). The sharpness tools always come in handy when downsizing a photograph.

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P.S.: In addition to what Sammyboy said, try finding an area with a reasonably consistent backround. The "open" nature of the bicycle is not too condusive to "noisy" backdrops.
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To 55/Rad:

How did you get it to stand upright in the second photo? It isn't leaning on the wall, that's for sure.

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First, you need to paint your garage door white! (beige is also acceptable)
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first you need to read Ray Dobbins write up on bike photography!

http://www.raydobbins.com/garagesetup.htm
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I'll +1 to that! Ray Dobbins takes some mighty fine pix. if you do shoot outdoors try to do it on an overcast day. Diffused sunlight makes for much better photos of shiney paint and chrome. Notice Rad-55s set up where the dark scrims are used to diffuse hard lighting before it falls on the subject. Very nice photos, too, BTW!
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How did you get it to stand upright in the second photo? It isn't leaning on the wall, that's for sure.

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if you look close at the photo, you can see the prop-rod...if the photo had been from a tiny bit higher, the top tube would cover it.
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if you look close at the photo, you can see the prop-rod...if the photo had been from a tiny bit higher, the top tube would cover it.
Correct. Propping the bike up invisibly has proven to be the biggest challenge for me. Photoshop can remove any rigging, it's just a pain to do it to dozens of photos.

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I never get tired of your bicycle photos, Rad. I figured by them though that you must have a pretty slick light rig, and that photo sure proves it. I take it that you're a photographer by trade?
Actually, I'm not. A hobbyist for sure, but I'm a TV commercial producer by trade. Naturally, we shoot a lot of stuff and the tools are available after hours. What I don't have that I REALLY need is a good digital SLR camera. I'm still using a point and shoot.

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Cameras don't take good pictures, people do.

One thing: not only are noisy backgrounds bad for getting the bike to show up, but esp. if there is some fine pattern, it can play havoc with the digital images sensors in a camera: 'moire effect,' etc.

Lighting is very important.

Lighting ourdoors can be really good if you pick the right times: Winter/northern light makes for purer colors, and sunset increases contrast. Northern light is light that comes from the north. Mid-day is a difficult time to get a good photo in general, and overcast days make for good neutral light.

As an 'analog' photographer, I tend to set myself the goal of only taking pictures when the light is good, even if an image looks nice.

There's a saying: The only difference between a professional and an amateur photographer? The pro takes a lot more pics. Take ten pics from the same angle, then edit: out of those ten, one nice one is still a nice photo. In the age of the digi-cam, this costs you nothing other than a few moments.
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First, you need to paint your garage door white! (beige is also acceptable)
I've never cared for the garage door back drop bike photos. Natural settings are more to my tastes. cudak888 has some nice tropical flavor bike pictures. How about a few snow shots?
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Those look pretty good to me pastorbob.

Rad - are you trying to tell me that all those shots of your bikes, although with a fantastic lighting setup, were done with a simple point and shoot camera? *boggles mind*

I don't have a lot of good places to shoot pictures of my bikes, and the Gazelle really doesn't look good up against the white garage door (though I don't have a garage and my parent's is brown).

The Barracuda Mk.I is a bit easier to photograph, and while yes, defused light does often look better, sometimes sunny skies or even close up flash can really bring out the sparkle in a metalic paint.

Here's a couple of my favs of my bikes:


Decent solid background - a bit sunny and the image isn't super clean.


Close up with the flash. Yes, that's a whole lot of metal flake in that paint.


There are a number of off-angle closeup shots that I really like. This is one of them.
I also like the color contrasts and the soft focus of the background. Wish I'd closed the Brake QR though.

And for contrast, a not so great shot:


I've been meaning to clean up both bikes and find a better spot to take some new photos. I've yet to get any real decent full bike shots of the Schwinn Passage.
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Are you talking about bikes, people, landscapes? Each has different challenges, but overall all I'd say:

Look for interesting light; create a composition rather than placing the main object in the center; and what you leave out is as important as what you keep in!

This pic, old bike parked in mottled light under a tree, Velo-Rendezvous.
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I did ask because of an interest primarily in bikes, but I suspect that most of the rules apply more generally.

I am feeling more confident in being able to get more consistent good shots. I have managed a couple in the past, but I think lighting usually gets in the way of my getting some really good shots.
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Rad - are you trying to tell me that all those shots of your bikes, although with a fantastic lighting setup, were done with a simple point and shoot camera? *boggles mind*
Well, a little better than a standard point and shoot, but essentially, yes,

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problem is: the bike is huge qua size but almost no surface at all (some tubes, tires, thats it). I still didn't find out how to make a full faced pic of the bike in a decent way. If you want detail shot, you have a lot of options, but the full bike still is a problem. Unless you have a cherry red Trek

Check also this site: http://www.speedbicycles.ch/
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bike pr0n!

i know he uses a little 'diffuse glow' filter in photoshop now and than.
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Darwin,

My bike photos have improved dramatically since I started using photographic background paper. I take all of my pictures outside on sunny days, but in the shade rather than in direct sunlight so I don't have shadows. I use a small, inexpensive digital Casio EX-Z55 camera that has built-in macro focusing.









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Rad, nice point and shoot. Here's the model I'm usually shooting with. A bit bigger than you can use on-ride, but great for distance and most other photos.


Olympus D-760 10x optical, 4.0MP

Stan, never can get enough of beautiful old Schwinns.
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Thanks, Jon.

I love the Barracuda Mk 1.
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Thats a good camera. The Canon S2 IS is 12x optical and 5mp, so really not a lot more. The optical is what sold me over my last Elph.
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What you do to get such nice pictures. Mine never turn out as well as many in the forum... but then again I bought my Stylus 710 for size and convenience... Maybe that's part of the problem?

If it is technique rather than equipment I need to squeeze a photography class into my schedule...

It's mainly technique and lighting. Pay a lot of attention to details and keep your background simple. Keep your elbows tucked in to your ribs, exhale and squeeze the trigger.

That's the technique... as for lighting, avoid direct flash and bounce the light if you can or diffuse it with a tissue in front of the flash lens. Use a tripod if you have one, that can not be understated. If outside, do not photograph in direct light unless you can control the light, rather find a spot out of direct light (shady) yet has good reflective light action around it. Overcast days are a great light diffuser.

Last but not least, take lots of pictures, and try different angles, low, high on your stomach..etc, rather than just at standing height.

Good luck, and show us your development....
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