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    59'er Mariner Fan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooper
    I have Campy friction barcons on my '72 Paramount, and love them.

    I never get tired of looking at that bike Scooper.

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    I have Suntour friction Barcons on my Motobecane Grand Touring, and friction Campagnolo bar ends on Puch Mistral. Both work very nicely, I think I prefer the Campagnolos though. Might be because I ride that bike more often and I've just grown accustomed to their feel.

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    My GTX came with one bar end, but seeing as I renamed it Ferrari, I simply put a Campy QR cover over the Shi*mano lever. It has to be used in friction mode to accommodate the Record rear deraileur w/Bullseye pulleys, but that's OK by me!

    Definetly NOT vintage, just classic!

    Oh, it's a recumbent trike, BTW!
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    I don't like my Suntour friction barcons. They're ugly and cheap looking and I can't get used to the feel of them. If you want them, just send me these:

    http://tinyurl.com/mqrvl

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    Here are the Shimano Fingertip shifters. They have a spring like the Simplex Retrofriction shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabid Koala
    Here are the Shimano Fingertip shifters. They have a spring like the Simplex Retrofriction shifters.]
    So do the Suntours.

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    Suntours have ratchets that allow easy movement when the lever is going downward with resistance when moving it in the upward direction. These Shimanos have springs that counterbalance the springs in the derailleurs. I have never seen or used ones like them before. I have Suntours on some of my other bikes, so I am pretty familiar with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
    I never get tired of looking at that bike Scooper.
    That's because it's freakin' gorgeous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
    I never get tired of looking at that bike Scooper.
    Quote Originally Posted by John E
    That's because it's freakin' gorgeous!
    ...and I use the flimsiest excuses to post pictures of it.

    I still can't believe how lucky I was to snag it on eBay.
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    I have been contemplating going from stem shifters to bar ends on one of my older bikes im fixing up. Can you use the new bar end shifters by shimano on old suntour derailleurs? Or should I try to find some suntour barcons? As long as the newer bar ends can be switched from indexing to friction, I cant see why it wouldnt work? any thoughts?

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    Mixing Shimano & SunTour shouldn't be a problem.
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    1 set of Suntour w/ Huret Jubilee and Suntour Cyclone
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonRob
    I've been thinking about converting it to index bar end shifters. Does anyone here use those and can you report on the ease of use?
    Since you asked about indexed barcons, and since no one else seems to have heard of them , I will weigh in. (And it's a lot of weight, too.)

    I use the new-fangled Shimano indexed barcons. They're great. I like 'em so much, I have 'em on all of my bikes, including a tandem. They will take you about 30 seconds to get used to, and you'll like being able to shift with both hands on the bars. And if something goes screwy with the indexing, you can change 'em to friction on the fly. All that, and tons cheaper than brifters.
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    I'm also using the newish Shimano indexed bar ends on my main ride, and like 'em a lot. The "ergonomic" bent end doesn't bother me a bit - in fact, it makes it easier to grab on for a quick downshift. It does make upshifting a bit trickier, but I don't often find myself in a situation where I think "I need a higher gear NOW!" The opposite situation happens pretty frequently, so quick and easy downshifting is good to have. Things are reversed for the front shifter, which could conceivable be problematic, but I almost never find myself shifting off of the middle ring, so it's a non-issue for the most part. By the way, this main ride is my touring rig. I've toured with friction DT shifters, and barcons blow 'em out of the water for this purpose!

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    Does anybody have any Simplex ones? Any information as to how the Simplex ones work? Any chronological information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde
    Does anybody have any Simplex ones? Any information as to how the Simplex ones work? Any chronological information?
    I seem to remember Sheldon Brown once saying they weren't the best bar ends ever produced. I've seen them come up occasionally on ebay.

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    I just ordered these from the Rivendell catalog. I'll let you know how they work.

    Silver Supermix Bar-end Shifters



    I think they have a cool "old school" look.
    Last edited by Mariner Fan; 10-16-06 at 05:09 PM.

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    Love them! Friction or Index Bar end shifters for 7-speeds can be hard to find and sometimes expensive. You can use thumb shifters in their place clamped to the end of the bar and turned up like the picture below. Most people never notice unless you point it out to them. I actually like them better than real bar end shifters! You can use wine bottle corks in the handlebar, eliminating buzz and the embossed cork plugs look really cool, especially on moustache bars!
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    Shimano Deore XT 7 speed thumb shifters have gotten rare and expensive, too. I've been trying to get some for a while. I ended up going with used bar end shifters mounted on Paul Thumbies.

    I think I'd like the ergonomics of those Rivendell Silver shifters better than the stubby levers on my Suntour barcons. I think that the ultimate friction setup would be Simplex retrofriction shifters mounted on the Rivendell pods. I don't know if they'll fit, and either does Rivendell. I'm going to try to make it work some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
    I just ordered these from the Rivendell catalog. I'll let you know how they work.

    Silver Supermix Bar-end Shifters



    I think they have a cool "old school" look.
    Yes, they are nice looking.
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    This damn thread is going to drive up the price of those sweet Suntour friction barcons!!!! Keep it quiet guys, fcs.

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    I've used Suntour Barcons and Campy barend shifters and like both.

    I remember my wife freaking as I purchased a complete, mid/low-level, early '70s C-Itoh bike at a thrift store while we were on vacation in Albuquerque (I think I paid $5 or $10 for it). It was in nearly pristine condition, but all I was after was the SunTour Barcons and the leather Belt saddle. I stripped those and the associated cables, housing and clamps in the parking lot and donated the bike carcass back to the Goodwill store. My wife was glad I didn't try to stuff the complete bike in the minvan (we did end up with a ton of other garage sale and thrift store finds that trip -- including a Thule bike rack for $3). That same Goodwill had a Snurfer snowboard (circa 1965) that my wife gave me grief for purchasing for $5 -- she was a bit happier when I sold it on the 'Bay for $250. I still have the Barcons waiting for a project bike. No, you can't have them ... :-)

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    I just refurbished a 70's Nishiki International, replaced the 5 speed with a 7 freewheel and put barcons on it, but it can only shift into the 2nd highest gear, not number 7. I'm stuck with the original Suntour GT derailleur right now, but is this a cable pull thing or an old derailluer thing? I'm planning on getting a hanger so I can put on a newer alivio derailleur, but do you think I'll have the same problem?

    Basically what I'm asking is has/does anyone use barcons for a 7 speed freewheel (or 8 speed cassette, for that matter), or is it a known thing that they just don't pull enough cable generally? I'm hoping it's a derailleur thing because the GT just doesn't seem to have that much range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
    I just ordered these from the Rivendell catalog. I'll let you know how they work.

    Silver Supermix Bar-end Shifters



    I think they have a cool "old school" look.
    Rivendell just e-mailed me and said they had to back order these shifters....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimJ
    I just refurbished a 70's Nishiki International, replaced the 5 speed with a 7 freewheel and put barcons on it, but it can only shift into the 2nd highest gear, not number 7. I'm stuck with the original Suntour GT derailleur right now, but is this a cable pull thing or an old derailluer thing? I'm planning on getting a hanger so I can put on a newer alivio derailleur, but do you think I'll have the same problem?

    Basically what I'm asking is has/does anyone use barcons for a 7 speed freewheel (or 8 speed cassette, for that matter), or is it a known thing that they just don't pull enough cable generally? I'm hoping it's a derailleur thing because the GT just doesn't seem to have that much range.
    Have you checked the travel limit screw? It might need adjustment.

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