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    Peugeot Fibre de Carbon

    When I bought my first road bike back in about 84, Peugeots top of the range was their first (and they claimed THE first) carbon fibre bike. From memory, it had aluminium "lugs", which were internal rather than external, and the main tubes were CF, and bonded to the lugs. Anyone ever see one, or own one? I only saw one in the catalog.

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    That would be the PY10FC, which was introduced in 1983. As for being the first commercailly avaialable carbon fibre road bicycle, it was about 10 years too late. Mossberg and Graftek both offered carbon fibre frames in the mid-1970s.

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    Hey,
    Someone posted pics of a PY10FC on Velospace. I saw it a monthe ago or so. Man, I would love to have one of those. Im not big on Carbon, but that seems like a carbon bike a steel lugged frame lover could really dig.

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    of yeah, heres that post

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    That's the bike. I'd probably snap one of those up if I saw it, as a curio.

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    ahahahahah
    this frame is f**.. great

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapin_marron

    ahahahahah
    this frame is f**.. great
    It is a beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastershake916
    It is a beauty.
    she is a beauty, however, back in the day, she had a rep for coming loose and making noise.

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    i have some pictures of the carbon peugeot on my photo gallery of retro-carbon bikes.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/norcalpa...troCarbonBikes

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    I own one...bought it in Paris many years ago...it's hanging in my garage, gathering dust!

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    I'm pretty sure it's a rebadged Vitus "Carbone"

    the vitus version turns up from time to time.

    I quote:


    "Peugeot offered this bike in it's catalogue from 1982-86. this is one of the first carbon road bikes available. Built up with old Campy Record. Peugeot developed the carbon tubing for use in these lugged bicycles. Peugeot colaborated with Bador (Bador was also working with French tubing company to utlizing the Vitus brand name to build complete frames) and both begin offering carbon bikes under individual brand names. Peugeot offered "Team" edition bikes PY-10 FC under the their brand and the bikes. Bador built "Vitus-branded" bikes utilize "Vitus Duralinox" alloy for the rear triangle and Peugeot carbon for the main tubes."

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    I believe '83 was the first year, regardless, Peugeot used Vitus Duralinox stays, lugs and forks with carbon tubing developed by (but probably not exclusive to) Peugeot.

    Peugeot collaborated with Zeus on their second generation carbon frame in '89 and later with Aegis....The second gen is my favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    Peugeot used Vitus Duralinox stays, lugs and forks with carbon tubing developed by (but probably not exclusive to) Peugeot.
    The "collaboration" for the carbon variant was with Bador- the co-developer and manufacturer of the Vitus Duralinox aluminum and carbon-graphite framesets marketed under the Vitus brand name amoungst others, including Peugeot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caterham View Post
    The "collaboration" for the carbon variant was with Bador- the co-developer and manufacturer of the Vitus Duralinox aluminum and carbon-graphite framesets marketed under the Vitus brand name amoungst others, including Peugeot.
    All this time I tought Duralinox was an exclusive Vitus product. Thanks, for the clarification!!!
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    Guy from velobase wrote:

    Notes:

    I put this project on hold. I wanted something rideable immediately, so I just took off the decals and turned this bike into a single-speed. And I cannot find the decals anywhere.

    Grrrr.

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    Decals? No Problem....JRrestore has/is getting all of my decal copies. Contact JRestore for the decals...


    Here's an edited page:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearCreekPines View Post
    I own one...bought it in Paris many years ago...it's hanging in my garage, gathering dust!
    Nooooo! Come on, we need photos, and then we need to see it get ridden .

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    Decals? No Problem....JRrestore has/is getting all of my decal copies. Contact JRestore for the decals...


    Here's an edited page:

    Edited? Mmm, I kind of like 'em like that too, I must say! Sort of post-modern pop-art versions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    All this time I tought Duralinox was an exclusive Vitus product.
    hi jim,
    here's as near as i know or can figure-

    vitus developed & produced the aluminum tube sets and likely were the initiators and coordinators of the bicycle frame project
    bador, an aerospace contractor, developed the means to join and mass produce the frames and carried out the assembly. they were likely the initiators of the carbon-graphite variants
    peugeot must have signed on early and given first year rights to the design- we received our first partial size runs of the carbon version, bertin badged bicycles & framesets approx 8-10 months after peugeot had them for sale
    a french gov't subsidy figures in somewhere behind the scenes

    ken
    Last edited by caterham; 04-18-08 at 01:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caterham View Post
    hi jim,
    here's as near as i know or can figure-

    vitus developed & produced the aluminum tube sets and likely were the initiators and coordinators of the bicycle frame project
    bador, an aerospace contractor, developed the means to join and mass produce the frames and carried out the assembly. they were likely the initiators of the carbon-graphite variants
    peugeot must have signed on early and given first year rights to the design- we received our first partial size runs of the carbon version, bertin badged bicycles & framesets approx 8-10 months after peugeot had them for sale
    a french gov't subsidy figures in somewhere behind the scenes

    ken
    And what role did CLB play? All Vitus 979 and Carbone I've seen have the "Brevete CLB" Marking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenser View Post
    And what role did CLB play? All Vitus 979 and Carbone I've seen have the "Brevete CLB" Marking.
    clb produced the cast parts- ie-lugs, btm-bkt, fork crown, dropouts and bridges
    Last edited by caterham; 04-18-08 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlee1080 View Post
    of yeah, heres that post
    That's a different one than I was thinking of on Velospace.

    http://velospace.org/node/6425

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    Quote Originally Posted by caterham View Post
    hi jim,
    here's as near as i know or can figure-

    vitus developed & produced the aluminum tube sets and likely were the initiators and coordinators of the bicycle frame project
    bador, an aerospace contractor, developed the means to join and mass produce the frames and carried out the assembly. they were likely the initiators of the carbon-graphite variants
    peugeot must have signed on early and given first year rights to the design- we received our first partial size runs of the carbon version, bertin badged bicycles & framesets approx 8-10 months after peugeot had them for sale
    a french gov't subsidy figures in somewhere behind the scenes

    ken
    Thanks for the info...I may be quoting you!!!
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    I think I found one of these frames at our co-op. How safe is it to ride? It has no doubt been sitting outside, and it felt suspiciously light, but I don't know. How bad does carbon fiber deteriorate?

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