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Old 12-08-06, 02:52 PM   #1
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My Latest Bright Idea, Your Opinions Please

My Universal brake hoods are old and a bit nasty. NOS replacements will run $40-50 and Dia Compes will fit, but they won't have the right logo.

My day job is designing products, mostly medical devices, and I can pretty much reverse engineer anything, it's fun. I can get a low cost mold made ($300-500) and start making reproductions. I'm guessing part cost may be about $10 a pair. Do you think there is any market at $20 a pair? I would like to get the tooling costs back.

Please note I would mold in the word "Reproduction" discreetly on the hood so they could not be passed as NOS.

This could be done for any brand but I would stay away from active brands like Campy and Shimano. They probably wouldn't care about my penny-ante operation, but it is still illegal and unethical. Someone may even own the rights to the Universal logo but since they are out of business and since this isn't about making money I would take the risk, I just want inexpensive hoods.
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Old 12-08-06, 03:01 PM   #2
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I would have thought you'd do alright out of old Weinmann and Universal hoods. I'd certainly be interested.
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I wish someone would make campy world logo replicas
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I wish someone would make campy world logo replicas
I believe that at one point someone was making reproductions of the world logo
hoods and that Campy stepped in pretty quickly and quashed that idea.
There's some references to it in the CR archives but not quite the whole story.

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edit: search CR archives for " the Italian bully" it's an interesting read
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I think that would be a great idea and fun to boot. Worse comes to worse, you have some $300 brake hoods.
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I'd pay $20.00 for something that would fit the GB brake lever bodies on my Holland.
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I wish someone would make campy world logo replicas
As I said in the OP, you don't want to mess with trademark law. If I did used the Campy logo, as lotek wrote, they would probably contact me quickly with a letter saying cease and desist, if not, we will sue you silly. I believe US law permits damages of up to 3x gross sales. You get the warning letter first because the lawyers would cost more than the damages won.
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I'm not an IP attorney but I think you'd be okay with a design that is inpired by a classic design. See the Cane Creek SCR-5 aero brake. Got that Campy look and feel but CC makes no claim or even implies that it's a a Campy-style hood. (They just let us internet cyclists do that for them....)
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I use those Euro-Asia Imports no logo Campy record hoods. I am not bothered by the lack of logo, so if you made others without logo I would be thrilled to get SOMETHING that actually fit and worked. If you have to have a logo, spend $$$$ for NOS.

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I say +1 and please DO IT!! After all that talktalkandtalk about reproduction Campy world logo hoods I'd be thrilled to just see somebody actually MAKE something for a change. And since you're not in it for big profits, I bet you'll do a grand job and might even recoup your costs...eventually...just be patient, the market is very small for this stuff when all is said and done. My 2 more cents: the Ame hoods were molded of either PVC or Kraton and proved much more durable than true gum rubber hoods, so if durability is a goal, do a little research into the materials options, please (I do think PVC is a nasty plastic, but if it turns out to be the best choice for this...) We, your potential customers, salute your initiative, sir!
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Go for it. I'll buy.
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My 2 more cents: the Ame hoods were molded of either PVC or Kraton and proved much more durable than true gum rubber hoods, so if durability is a goal, do a little research into the materials options, please (I do think PVC is a nasty plastic, but if it turns out to be the best choice for this...) We, your potential customers, salute your initiative, sir!
Actually, the process I was imagining to keep costs low would be to use a silicon mold and use polyurethane as the material. It is very durable and it is pretty easy to match color and durameter. The mold is good for about 100 parts, then it starts to fall apart. If demand ws great enough, you could move to an aluminum mold for $3,000-5,000 and a $5 part cost. That would last a few hundred thousand parts and would use a thermoplastic like Santropene. I don't see demand getting that great.
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Go for it. Keep production on a small scale- under the radar.
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Old 12-08-06, 06:24 PM   #14
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I would guess you could do very well with Universal repros. Gum with blue lettering and white with red lettering would be killer. Don't forget the little "hat" for the adjusters too, in black and gum.

BTW, I believe the ones available for years in the blue Vittoria boxes are repros already.
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The Euro-Asia Campagnolo fit compatable are not good enough, the ones I have seen have the mold parting lines in the wrong regions and just do not cut it. And the color is too dark.

A Campagnolo "replicant" hood with better detailing and no logo would be very happy I think. A Universal Brand hood (maybe just the oval outline?) and or some other text would be useful as well, do not forget the little rubber hoods that finish the hood at the cable as seen on some years, trim levels of them.

Another Idea is a Campagnolo fitting hood that adds meat above the lever body, most guys I see do not have hands that fit in the depression of the original too well.

Mafac gum hoods are also hard to find, won't even discuss the colored Mafac half hoods... I wanted a red pair, a few times on ebay they sold for scary dollars.
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i need a pair of these RIGHT NOW !
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This sounds like a great idea. You would undoubtedly be discreet in your advertising--as Hobartlemagne says, under the radar. Perhaps just a discreet notice here that ersatz hoods are available, send a PM...

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Excellent idea - not only for the Universals, but for the Campagnolo Record/NR/Super Record hoods too. The current repros available out there are too thick, and have an unsightly mold line down the side. Perhaps a circular logo to represent the globe logo with "Reproduction" in cursive would suffice?

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Repro gum hoods

Very good idea. I would buy a cuple of pairs for my Universal Brakes. I have bought NOS sets on ebay for around 25 $ but those were the newer (later9 versions). I need the older ones.
BTW I just bought a whole load of Shimano repro hoods in white. I tried and they also fit Weinmann bodies quite well. Those are copies of 600 Arabesque or DA gums. They might fit GB levers since I recall these were similir ti Weinmann.


If you are in need let me know. I will ship to the US and it will not be expensive.
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can i place an order for shimano D-ace EX / 600 EX gum flavor hoods? non aero, of course.




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how bout advertise "reproduction" regardless of weather the product says reproduction.
Or- put it on the inside of the mold, so they dont show when on a bike.
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If I were going to produce a small run of reproduction world logo type hoods
I'd probably contact Campy US (or campy Italy) and ask about it. I would imagine
that the issue isn't the hoods themselves but the campy logo. I'd ask what they
would approve, as many folks have said I'd take a couple of pairs of hoods, even
if they didn't have the logo. I've seen the EA hoods, they're terrible, I use Modolo
(either the anatomic or regular) if I have to replace hoods.

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I would imagine that the issue isn't the hoods themselves but the campy logo.
There is a way around that:



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works for me!
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I wanted to post an update. I finished the computer model and did some quick renderings for your opinions. Please note the color is an approximation and will be matched at the time of molding. Next will be making a rapid prototype to check fit and quotes for molding.





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