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Old 12-13-06, 01:50 PM   #1
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Stripping a Bonded Ti Frame

I could ask this in the mechanics forum but I figure you classic and vintage folk have more experiance with stripping frames. I have a 93 or so Miyata Elevation 8000 Bonded Titanium mountain bike that I am converting to a tourer. I have never liked the logo and graffic stickers on the main tubes. How should I go about stripping off the clear coat and decals without harming the bond at the joints. I am leary of chemical strippers weakening the bond but I do not want to scratch the heck out of the Ti with sandpaper and steel wool takes for ever. Any help would be appreciated.

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If it were me, I'd probaby strip it with a chemical stripper everywhere but the joints and use fine sand paper or steel wool near the joints.
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If it were me, I'd probaby strip it with a chemical stripper everywhere but the joints and use fine sand paper or steel wool near the joints.
+1!
And before I put on the stripper, I would wrap the joins tightly with several layers of quality masking tape.
Then rinse the frame really well before removing the tape. I like Jasco Water rinsable paint & epoxy remover. And incase you aren't inclined to read the whole label, (I'm not either) one key piece of info; lay the stripper on going in ONE DIRECTION ONLY! Don't ask me why, but it does make a difference.

Another trick is to put the frame in a big thick plastic garbage bag. That helps keep the stripper from drying out too soon. WEAR GLOVES! The stuff's not too bad to smell, but boy, don't get the stuff on your skin!
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Hi Mudu93,

Do have the Euro version:



Isn't yours clear coated only ...with some not so tough to remove decals? Or does yours have black lugs like mine?

Anyway think I could get it shiny pretty quickly with steelwool, s.paper and polishing compound

...and Save!

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That's a sexy looking mountain bike.
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Hi Mudu93,

Do have the Euro version:



Isn't yours clear coated only ...with some not so tough to remove decals? Or does yours have black lugs like mine?

Anyway think I could get it shiny pretty quickly with steelwool, s.paper and polishing compound

...and Save!

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Considering I bought it new in the states, I doubt that it is the euro version. That looks like the same frame as my Elevation 8000 but mine has some "fugly: graphic decals that I have never liked. I wouldn't be considering the frame strip if mine looked like yours. I guess I will have to take a picture and post it so you all can see what I mean.
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Hi Mudu,

Only meant to say I have the Euro version

You have the decals with the Font as on the frame in the foreground:



Of course am looking forward to seeing pictures of yours

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Hi, me again

From somewhere very deep in my computer I digged up below pic. Guess yours is like this?

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More like a cross between yours and the last one pictured. I have already removed the offending graphics with steelwool, and I just want to strip the rest and polish it up and add the original rigid fork back on. A buddy of mine and I are planning on riding the full length of the Katy Trial this summer on our old converted mountain bikes. Him on his M2 Stumpy(currently a singlespeed).

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I want one of those.
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Kemmer,

There was a near new one on German eBay recently => here

Now it is waiting for the next one to pop up
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Mudu93,

I am yealous on the original FatMax forks you have. I have several, but none of them black.

Hope you won't regret getting rid of the original decals. Finding new will be pretty tough.

Don't think you will regret getting rid of parts like seat, riser... and replacing them by nicer matching stuff

Mudu, it is great chassis. It deserves to be ridden very hard many years. Good luck with it on your trip next summer!

btw had a M2 S-works. Terrible paint. Lost paint by looking at, but except for that proper made. Nothing special though.

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There was a near new one on German eBay recently => here

Now it is waiting for the next one to pop up

Wow, it didn't go cheap did it? If they're that expensive I don't think I'll be getting one anytime soon.
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There's a complete, fully rigid Greg Herbold team edition (like the blue and red one pictured above) on ebay. It's in a store (not auction), been there for a year, he's got it for $145 I think.
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Mudu93,

I am yealous on the original FatMax forks you have. I have several, but none of them black.

Hope you won't regret getting rid of the original decals. Finding new will be pretty tough.

Don't think you will regret getting rid of parts like seat, riser... and replacing them by nicer matching stuff

Mudu, it is great chassis. It deserves to be ridden very hard many years. Good luck with it on your trip next summer!

btw had a M2 S-works. Terrible paint. Lost paint by looking at, but except for that proper made. Nothing special though.

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I do not think that when I bought this bike it was built as orginally spec'd.
I do still have everything that came with the bike when i bought it including the owners manual and reciept, black fat max fork, H-ball signiture seat and the like. Other than that I believe that the shop where I bought it used the build kit for this bike on another frame and then built mine with a LX/XT mixture (mostly LX with an XT front derailure). It also had a answer atac stem and a gary fisher handlebar. Other than that I think it would look great if I could give the Ti tubes an engine turned look and I am sure I could find somebody to make a set of reproduction decals. I love the looks of yours.

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Mud,

Here you find the original specs for the 1993 Elevation 8,000 => Click

The Answer ATAC stem is a nice piece. Think it must have looked ace! When the FatMax/threaded headset returns, the ATAC back on it?

I am yealous on your HBall seat too. European Kogas never came with it.

There are more pics of my TiRunner here

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