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    Need help dating a Holdsworth frame.

    The serial number is 74826 and it it has three brazed on cable guides on the top tube. When were braze ons first used? It has been repainted so I don't know the model. I have been told that it might be a 1975 Italia.

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    Brazed rear brake cable guides replaced clips during the 1970s.

    I wish I knew how Holdsworth serial numbers map to production dates.
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    Maybe you've already seen Norman Kilgariff's website devoted to Holdsworth/Holdsworthy, but here it is just in case:
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nkilgariff/
    He used to take serial number question emails, but has shut down that service due to a flood of them, I guess. Since he links to Yellow Jersey in Madison, WI, maybe they can be of service...or maybe you can get a clue from the catalogs scanned in Norman's site...good luck to ya!

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    I have a Holdsworth and because of my interest in these bikes, I've collected about 45 serial numbers and sometimes can come close to pinning down a year of mfg.

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    Great frame, but dude, wouldn't you rather date women?
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Yow! That is the FIRST any of us have ever heard that joke...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    Great frame, but dude, wouldn't you rather date women?
    I was gonna say he needed to buy it a couple of good margaritas first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unworthy1
    Yow! That is the FIRST any of us have ever heard that joke...
    What, you want me to be original too? Tough crowd.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    About your Holdsworth numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Magnuson View Post
    I have a Holdsworth and because of my interest in these bikes, I've collected about 45 serial numbers and sometimes can come close to pinning down a year of mfg.
    I have frame number 6497. Any ideas on the date? Pictures here if it helps
    http://ludicrousexploits.blogspot.com/

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    There's a pic in Norman's site that shows the same badge as yours, and states:
    "The pre-war Holdsworth brass rectangular badge, with a dark background, re-appeared late 1946 or 1947 as shown on Doug Smiths original finish 1947 La Quelda."
    So it seems that this "Worthy" brass badge was both pre- and post-war...maybe Skip will see your post and have some info based on the serial number. It clearly seems to be an early bike, but I can't date it exactly.
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