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Old 12-26-06, 03:14 PM   #1
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The Casati Project

After over a year of riding a fixed gear, I'm looking to get back into the world of gears. I don't have the frame yet, but it's a purple, lugged Columbus SLX (I think) 56 - just my size, just my tubing. I'm building it up with old Italian components (6 speed) with tubulars.


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Anyway, here's what I have so far:
Ofmega Road double
Campy NR (?) non-aero brake levers
3T Pro Chrome 110mm Columbus Thron stem
Bennotto ribbon tape (might not use this)
Campagnolo Record low-flange hubs laced to Mavic GL 330 rims (Front is tied and soldered)
Suntour 6 speed freewheel
Gnutti (Campy knock-off) QR levers
Campagnolo front derailleur (not sure what model)
Campagnolo Velox rear derailleur
Time ATAC Alium pedals (I know, I know)

And what's to come:
Campy/Modolo brakes (anyone care to help me get these?)
Campy DT shifters (still need to find these, too)
Brooks Professional (I think) Honey saddle
Seatpost (I'd like to find a nice old fluted post)
ISO Taper BB
Headset (not sure about a brand)
SRAM road chain
White or yellow cable housing
Some sort of tubulars - suggestions?
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The Modolo brakes show up on ebay all the time. I would suggest that you
go with Equipe or above (Professional and Master Professional) the lower end
ones weren't that good. Modolo Speedy were ok, but not up to the standards
of the other components you already have.

Sounds like an interesting build. what kind of Frame are you getting? Any pictures
(from craigslist, ebay etc.) ?

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It's a Casati frame (not sure on what model) from a friend of mine, so no pics for now. Yeah, the idea is to have more of a work bike than a full vintage restoration. Plus, I don't think the components are period correct for the frame.
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Casatis are very nice.... I'd probaby ditch the Velox rear derailleur as they were pretty heavy and don't work well for 6-speed and up. Get a campy Daytona or Centaur for around $35.

Modolo brakes can be had for a good price and are Italian & well made (just don't get Corsa's)... I concur with lotek. You can also get new-ish, very nice Cervelo dual pivot calipers for around $50 on eBay. If you want Campy, look for Athena, Chorus or Centaur for a nice deal on excellent brakes.
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Mr. El, post some pics when you get the frame, and we can help ID it. I've got two '84ish Casati Gold Line R. models, and they're appropriately built with some pantographed Record and Super Record. Take a look at the Casati brochures on Mr. Bulgier's site as well:
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It's tough for me to ID it right now because it's been (I assume) repainted, and is sans decals.
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It's tough for me to ID it right now because it's been (I assume) repainted, and is sans decals.
Lugs, tubing type, shifter boss style/position, and drop-outs differ.

BTW; here's a link to pics of one of mine: http://www.duane.kennard.com/casati/
The saddle's not period correct (a Brooks Swift), but since those pics were taken, I've found a NOS Casati-stamped San Marco Rolls for it.
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Yeah, I know it's quite possible, but without the frame in my hands it'll be hard. But I'll be sure and take the appropriate pics when I get it.
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Definitely lose that RD! I might be able to help you with Modolo brakes, maybe some other stuff...but have to check my parts bin after I return from Xmas journey. I will PM you if I have anything good.
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Columbus 'SLX' Casati deserves the very best you can give it. Dont just turn it into a beater "work" bike, thats why they make 'Treks'...LOL. (just kidding)

Seriously, a period correct restoration will cost, so it really all depends on how much that frame is worth to you. You can have a very 'drool worthy' bike by mixing in newer "off period" components that are easier to find and probably cheaper to boot. You can still find early 90's single pivot 'Athena' or 'Chorus' brakes on e-bay, as well as decent 'Super Record' derailleurs that will shift a six speed free wheel. Either that, or you can go all out and cold set the dropouts to 130 mm and not be limited on what components to use. IMO the frame certainly deserves that if its in good condition, regardless of the paint.

Sounds like you have a very nice Italian bike. Dont put it to waste,
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Yeah, I'm actually going to go a little more all out. I need a new FD as well, so I may as well look for some Record. I really don't want to cold set it and go 8-9-10 speed, and a lot of that has to do with the wheels I have. I'm pretty excited about diving into tubulars.

So, I'm now looking for 1970s/80s Campy ______ Record derailleurs (braze-on front), recessed mount Modolo brakes, 3T/Cinelli non-ergo bend drops, and some sort of headset/BB (I don't want to use the Shimano 600 that came with it for obvious reasons). This'll make it's way to the trade thread soon enough.

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OK, I got the frame yesterday. Pics are up on the Flickr. It's Columbus SLX, with braze-on DT shifter bosses and 12 o' clock brake cable routing. I can't find a serial number anywhere. Any ideas?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tim_the...7594440031418/
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VERY nice! and unique looking too, with that bizarre seatstay cap and brakebridge. Assuming it spins smoothly, I'd keep the Shimano Octalink BB and get a crankset that fits it, you'll be ahead of the game. Other than that, looks like a typical '80s Italian beauty...you already like purple, right?
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OK, I got the frame yesterday. Pics are up on the Flickr. It's Columbus SLX, with braze-on DT shifter bosses and 12 o' clock brake cable routing. I can't find a serial number anywhere. Any ideas?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tim_the...7594440031418/
My guess is a "Gold Line" frame from late '80s. C-Record or Croce is what I'd build it with... Instead of the Delta brakes, maybe some late style Modolo Pro.
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Yeah, it's staying purple. It's gonna be built up with Super Record (half-assed), I just don't have the time/energy/resources to go C-Record. Unless my friend decided to sell his Tommasini...
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Yeah, it's staying purple. It's gonna be built up with Super Record (half-assed), I just don't have the time/energy/resources to go C-Record. Unless my friend decided to sell his Tommasini...
^^ Thank you !
That shade of purple and the beautiful crowned fork make that my new favorite frame !!
Hurry up with the 'After' pics !!
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Oh, well thank you! There's a chance that the stays are chromed underneath the powder coat, but I'm gonna wait until I need to repaint to find out for sure. And don't hold your breath for the completed build.
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i have a gold line "s" , your bike looks remarkably similar, if so,i,m guessing 82 ish ?i would go for record !
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Sick, sick bike....those seatstays are the best in life. So cool.
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Yes, they are.

Thank god you're here to rub some of that bike magic on the new dreambike I'm aiming for...

Come to me, my lovely vintage steel!
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I really need that frame. Please PM me.
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Sorry, I'm hanging on to it.
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UPDATE: Thanks to cyclotoine and M-theory I now have a Super Record FD, C-Record DT shifters, and a Nuovo Record BB. Waiting on bars, brakes, and RD. Hunting for seatpost, headset, and maybe a stem (mine's probably too long).
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""Waiting on bars, brakes, and RD. Hunting for seatpost, headset, and maybe a stem ""

Since you're not far from SF...may I suggest Don Raffas Cyclery on 16th Street & Mission. One of the last 'hidden treasure' LBS's. Don still thinks vintage Campy is just old parts....and sells stuff at happy prices. I was just in there..he's got: Newish Chorus brakset: $40; Centaur Ergo levers/shifters $60; Chorus cranks $40; Nuovo shifters $10; Cinelli bars $15; Brooks Pro saddles $50...... The secret password is: 'Por favor Campagnolo'....and Don will bring out a big box and then talk to you in Spanish.
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