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Old 12-26-06, 11:11 PM   #1
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13-18t 6-speed freewheel availability rant

Is it just me, or are corncob 13-18s, and other similar 14-20 and 13-21 tooth 6-speed Regina, Suntour and Shimano freewheels becoming a royal pain in the BLANK to locate, whether they be NOS, lightly used, or used - ultras excluded?

I've been on the hunt for the last two weeks for a corncob 13-18t 6-speed standard-spaced freewheel to replace the severly worn Suntour Winner Pro on my '61 Paramount, and I had also been searching for a 13-18t Shimano 600 UG freewheel for my 1987 Basso.

I was lucky enough to grab a lightly used 13-18t Shimano 600 freewheel for the Basso on eBay, mainly as I found one with a mispelled title and a reasonable BIN. Still, it took nearly a week, and there still haven't been any listed under the correct spelling.

As for a Suntour or a Regina freewheel, no Suntours have popped up. A 13-18t Regina BX in questionable used condition did sell a few days ago, but I lost out on it. It was the first Regina corncob to pop up after two weeks or so, as I can recall. Didn't care to spend $16 + shipping on a freewheel that I wasn't too particularly sure about its wear either.

Am I missing something here? I've also tried numerous times here on the forums in both Wanted and the For Trade thread trying to hunt one up, with no luck. Is there some kind of secret, underground market for these things? Feels that way to me.

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Old 12-26-06, 11:27 PM   #2
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Here's a standard-spaced six speed New Winner:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Old-Stock-Su...QQcmdZViewItem

Kind of pricey, but if you are in need....
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Cuda,

Here's a 13-19

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The p/n for that one indicates it is an Ultra.
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Here's a standard-spaced six speed New Winner:

Kind of pricey, but if you are in need....
Bullcrap price, as I usually expect from that seller. I'd go to some of the LBS's if I wanted to get ripped off the way one would in that auction. Not that the LBS's have these FWs either - NOS wide range 14-28t/13-34t Shimano 600 6-speeds are all I've pulled up. Guess everyone ate up the good stock.


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Cuda,

Here's a 13-19
There's a possibility - but the mere fact the box comes with it will probably run it out of my price range. Reckon I won't even have it by the end of the year with 6 days to go either.

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Old 12-27-06, 12:07 AM   #6
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The p/n for that one indicates it is an Ultra.
...and there goes THAT!

Why did I ever have to 126 the Paramount? Could have made life easier on myself if I had stuck with 120mm...

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lol that's one ironic story. I give it a year before that Paramount turns SS.
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Kurt,

I suspect this is beyond your anticipated budget, but Loose Screws can custom build this FW for you;
http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi...d=142381530089

The challenge might be that the cogs come in different colors. Possibly you could ask them to ship it prior to assembly and you could spray the cogs the color you want. I know $45 + shipping is high, but it would be brand new, giving you decades of trouble free service.
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Private message sent to you Bob. Don't want to hijack this thread.
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I've got a 12-17 I'd be willing to trade.
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lol that's one ironic story. I give it a year before that Paramount turns SS.
Oh, go to blank!

Chalk me up as one of those who hates SS's, and most fixies to boot. Tried both on other machines, don't care for either, although I do feel the advantage of the fixie. If I'd own a fixie though, it'd be a track bike.

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Kurt,

I suspect this is beyond your anticipated budget, but Loose Screws can custom build this FW for you;
http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi...d=142381530089

The challenge might be that the cogs come in different colors. Possibly you could ask them to ship it prior to assembly and you could spray the cogs the color you want. I know $45 + shipping is high, but it would be brand new, giving you decades of trouble free service.
Been there, seen that, but I appriciate the link. Just doesn't make any sense when, let's say, NOS Regina OROs with uniform gold cogs (just not in the right gear ratios) sell on eBay for $25-30.

I do believe ONE of the departed LBS's (I believe one of the other shops has his #) had a 13-18t Shimano FW, but was hemming and hawing on the idea of selling it, for it was in his personal parts box. For the record, I'd much rather have a Suntour or Regina flat cog profile freewheel on the Paramount. The Shimano would simply look out of place.

Argh - what happened to all those Regina cog boards that shops were saddled with after the late '80s switch to Shimano twist-tooth?

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I've got a 12-17 I'd be willing to trade.
Regina? Suntour? Shimano? Sounds like gearing one would find on a Regina BX/CX.

That's a small one for sure - is it new or used? How much wear on it?

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Not cheap but this guy has a boatload of suntour freewheels:

http://stores.ebay.com/The-New-Old-S...S-Bicycle-Shop

You might also post a WTB on CR list.

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Regina? Suntour? Shimano? Sounds like gearing one would find on a Regina BX/CX.

That's a small one for sure - is it new or used? How much wear on it?

Take care,

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Regina oro body and the 12 cog for certain. The other cogs don't look very gold though. There's a bit of corrosion on the back of the body - nothing that would show when mounted.

It turns really smoothly. The cogs all show very light wear. There's 80%+ life left in this one, but I don't think I'd put it on a show bike.
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of course shipping might be a bit expensive.

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Actually, I see lots of corncobs, but very few 14-26 or 13-26 6-speed freewheels. I would love to put an ultra-6 14-16-18-20-23-26 on Capo #2, with a 49-46 ringset (I have 45, 47, and 49T rings; looking for a 6-bolt 157mm BCD 46T, preferably aluminum).
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... Chalk me up as one of those who hates SS's, and most fixies to boot. Tried both on other machines, don't care for either, although I do feel the advantage of the fixie.
I am with you all the way, Kurt.

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If I'd own a fixie though, it'd be a track bike. ...
Been there ... done that ... gave it to a friend who converted it into a 4-speed by machining a SunTour derailleur hanging claw to fit backward onto the track dropouts.
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Not cheap but this guy has a boatload of suntour freewheels.

You might also post a WTB on CR list.

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All Ultras, if I recall right.

CR list...now why didn't I think of that?


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Regina oro body and the 12 cog for certain. The other cogs don't look very gold though. There's a bit of corrosion on the back of the body - nothing that would show when mounted.

It turns really smoothly. The cogs all show very light wear. There's 80%+ life left in this one, but I don't think I'd put it on a show bike.
The ugliness is of no concern to me - the Paramount is equally ugly. My main concern is whether it'll work with a new chain (namely, a Sedisport) or whether I'll get the typical low gear chain popping problems. PM me and tell me what you want for it.


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of course shipping might be a bit expensive.

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Would be a good deal if it weren't for the shipping cost.


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Actually, I see lots of corncobs, but very few 14-26 or 13-26 6-speed freewheels. I would love to put an ultra-6 14-16-18-20-23-26 on Capo #2, with a 49-46 ringset (I have 45, 47, and 49T rings; looking for a 6-bolt 157mm BCD 46T, preferably aluminum).
Where do you see those corncobs? I might be able to get my hands on some FWs with 26t lows. I know the LBS has an old Suntour Perfect with a 30 or so - with the two last cogs being skiptooths.


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Been there ... done that ... gave it to a friend who converted it into a 4-speed by machining a SunTour derailleur hanging claw to fit backward onto the track dropouts.
I remember that story, and have kept that 4-speed idea in mind for the future, if I do come across something.

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Hmmn, this thread sounds about normal for owning a vintage bike (or motorcycle, or car, etc.). If you're going to ride the old stuff, you're also going to have to develop the patience to wait until the desired part becomes availabe . . . . . . said as I'm in the fourth month of running a SunTour Hero front derailleur on my Tour de France, since I've yet to see a Criterium come up on eBay.

I'll quietly live with it until I find one. And it better be before spring.
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All Ultras, if I recall right.
no not all ultras he has regular winner freewheels too
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What's the problem with using an Ultra? Can't think of a reason why it wouldn't run just fine with 126mm spacing. Why would that be an issue? Just curious.
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www.loosescrews.com offers custom built 5 and 6 speed Shimano freewheels. I don't know what parmeters they are limited to.
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Well, in the meantime, I picked up an old NOS Royal Endfield 14-24t at the LBS for $10, and was pretty pleased, until I later realized it was a 5-speed.

This was a bit unfortunate, until I took the Suntour Pro-Compe off the Paramount - and realized that it is an Ultra. Don't know how I had missed this before, but sure enough, it is. Also explains why it never shifted well - one of Frank Bertos books comments that the Ultras deliver generally poorer shifts then the standard-spaced freewheels.

However, I've run into a new little problem - the 24t freewheel cog appears to be slightly too much for the Gran Sport to handle - the pulley wheel fits a few MM's too close to it, and as a result, very harsh grinding sounds are the result. Adding a link in the chain (to slow the pulley cage's progress as it rotates) does not help, as I have the cage as slack as possible in the low gear.

Looks like I'm now in the market for a 14-18t or 13-17t 5-speed cogset.


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If you're going to ride the old stuff, you're also going to have to develop the patience to wait until the desired part becomes availabe . . . . . . said as I'm in the fourth month of running a SunTour Hero front derailleur on my Tour de France, since I've yet to see a Criterium come up on eBay.

I'll quietly live with it until I find one. And it better be before spring.
Your front derailer is a bit more of a special case, as you're specific to a particular make and model, of an object that wears considerably slower then a freewheel, and produced over a more limited time span.

Now, in the case of the freewheel(s) I am searching, I am flexible in looking for 13-18s, 14-19s, or 13/14-21s, produced by Regina, Suntour and Shimano, spanning a production timeline of the early '70s to the late 1980s, of an object that occasionally wears out, and needs to be replaced.


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What's the problem with using an Ultra? Can't think of a reason why it wouldn't run just fine with 126mm spacing. Why would that be an issue? Just curious.
The Campag Grand Sport RD on the Paramount is not perfectly straight, and I have to adjust the derailer a mm or two outboard of the low cog to get it to downshift properly. During a quick downshift from the larger cogs, the chain could concevably jump just a tad too far off the cog, and sit itself on the axle between the cog and dropout. Of course, this isn't of a concern anymore after I realized this thing was, in fact, running an Ultra-6.

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